Talk: Live Together, Die Alone

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Me

English guy living in London.

You've Edited My Page!

You may be reading this because you're trying to work out who the *#$& is that's edited your "User" page. If that's the case then please accept my apologies and here's an explanation ...

There's a really useful "special page" called "wanted pages", it lists all the red links that appear within Lostpedia. The red links denote "wanted pages", links that currently lead nowhere. A week ago the "wanted pages" list wasn't very helpful, because it was flooded with lots of wanted pages for "Users". And so to try and make this particular page useful I've added each person's username to their "User" page, this removes their name from this "wanted pages" list and hence makes the list a useful tool. Apologies if anyone feels as though I've fiddled with something that's intrinsically "theirs", I hope that you'll appreciate what I was trying to achieve.

At the moment (00:28 23 May 2006 (BST)) the wanted pages list now only has 20 entries in it, most of which seem like genuine "requests" for pages on specific topics. Some of the pages in the wanted pages list exist because people have created links where they are not needed, if an Admin person could take a look at the list then there are links to "Alex1912", "WALLACE", "Kennisrussell" and "Charliesfate" that could be removed but only by editing the original (locked) document.

regards

Kevin -ActiveValue 16:30, 22 May 2006 (PDT)

A man with a cause, I support you and wish you good luck! -- B ramme 09:24, 21 May 2006 (PDT)

Other Information Sources

http://lost.wikia.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(2004_television_series)

http://tviv.org/Lost

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lost

http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

http://www.lost-media.com/

http://www.insidetheexperience.com/

http://www.lostlinks.net/

All Encompassing Theory

Just random thoughts at the moment ...

Timwline

1: Many years ago the Island was hit by a meteorite, which formed the Crater (this leads into why the DHARMA Initiative are so interested in Meteorology. The meteorite has unique magnetic properties.

2: An early civilisation crashed on the Island but couldn't escape, they built the statue.

3: At some point the DeGroots/Hanso discovered the Island

4: Hanso harnessed the unique magnetic properties for other experiments:

psychology - long-term exposure to the magnet affects the brain?

parapsychology - which as a conseqeucne enhances

zoology - as a side issue the Island has some unique animals as a consequence of the magnet's affect on DNA

electromagnetism - study of the magnet

utopian social (engineering?) - combined with Valenzetti as they are concerned that life will come to an end very soon

5: The Incident caused Three Mile Island or some other major disaster [1]

Other

5. Him is Alvar Hanso

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-== Kelvin is Joe Inman? ==
+== Me ==
+English guy living in London.
-Is this confirmed?  If so; cool!
-:No, just theorized because both characters are being played by [[Clancy Brown]].--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 05:15, 18 May 2006 (PDT)
-I read somewhere that he's a twin, I don't recall how reliable the source was, but if there is a 'bad twin' thing going on on the island. Also, Joe Inman was a bit of b*st*rd but Desmond's decription of Kelvin makes him seem, nicer, and he seems (in my memory) to almost reminisce about his relationship with Kelvin.. Could be wrong though, we'll see soon! I was certain we'd see Joe Inman again though, I have a theory he is some sort of DHARMA recruiter or 'temporal engineer' type guy, given the way he said to Sayid "one day you'll need to know something.. and now you'll be able to get it", it makes me think that he was training Sayid for the island. --[[User:Rayne|Rayne]] 15:39, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
+== You've Edited My Page! ==
-==The Button==
+You may be reading this because you're trying to work out who the *#$& is that's edited your "User" page.  If that's the case then please accept my apologies and here's an explanation ...
-I think that when the clock reaches zero, we'll see the glyphs, hear the cranking, maybe even see the map. Then, my guess is that it'll stop there and say LOST. What do you guys think will actually happen when it hits zero? [[User:DeGroot of all Evil|DeGroot]]
+There's a really useful "[[Special:Specialpages|special page]]" called "[[Special:Wantedpages|wanted pages]]", it lists all the red links that appear within Lostpedia.  The red links denote "wanted pages", links that currently lead nowhere.  A week ago the "wanted pages" list wasn't very helpful, because it was flooded with lots of wanted pages for "Users".  And so to try and make this particular page useful I've added each person's username to their "User" page, this removes their name from this "wanted pages" list and hence makes the list a useful tool.  Apologies if anyone feels as though I've fiddled with something that's intrinsically "theirs", I hope that you'll appreciate what I was trying to achieve.
-My theory it's some sort of doomsday device, that triggers a catastrophe whenever the button isn't pushed, with the severity of the catastrophe increasing each time? It seems to me that the button is meant to be pushed by someone who is aware I bet that a machine could easily be setup to 'push the button' if it was neccesary. So for some reason it is necessary to have people do it either - it's an experiment or - it's  designed so that in certain circumstances, the button isn't pushed. If you get me.. I don't know if we'll see anything.. I hope we do though, that button has been confusing me since we first saw it.
+At the moment (00:28 23 May 2006 (BST)) the wanted pages list now only has 20 entries in it, most of which seem like genuine "requests" for pages on specific topics.  Some of the pages in the [[Special:Wantedpages|wanted pages list]] exist because people have created links where they are not needed, if an Admin person could take a look at the list then there are links to "Alex1912", "WALLACE", "Kennisrussell" and "Charliesfate" that could be removed but only by editing the original (locked) document.
-We all know that some great unveiling will be about to occur when we get hit in the face by 'LOST'.--[[User:Rayne|Rayne]] 15:39, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
+regards
-'''Isotope23! SPOILER TAG!''' --[[User:Keyes|Keyes]] 08:40, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
+Kevin -[[User:ActiveValue|ActiveValue]] 16:30, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
-I still like my original theory from way back.  If the button isn't pushed, all the hatches get locked down and some electromagnetic machine spins up and effectively screws up the instrumentation on any plane or boat in the area, causing it to crash on the island.  This is how Darhma gets their new "lab rats" to experiment on.--[[User:Stew Erickson|Stew Erickson]] 05:56, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
-::Interesting theory...--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 07:08, 22 May 2006 (PDT)
+A man with a cause, I support you and wish you good luck! --{{user:Bramme/sig}} 09:24, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
-But Desmond has been down there for sometime now (what was it, three years?).  And he has been pushing the button every 108 minutes.  So how could the plane crash be caused by someone not pushing the button if he pushed the button?
+== Other Information Sources ==
-==Possible Plot Outline==
-I removed this from the main page because, frankly, the show hasn't aired yet so this is all theoretical.  If it had been presented as theory, I'd have kept it on the main page, however it is presented as if it's fact and therefore might be misleading appearing on an episode page... --[[User:Xsg|Xsg]] 16:29, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
+http://lost.wikia.com
-P.S. - To whoever wrote this...  If it turns out to be true, thank you so much!  I wrote up the plot for the last episode... it takes ''hours'' of work to do this. --[[User:Xsg|Xsg]] 21:58, 21 May 2006 (PDT)
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(2004_television_series)
-{{Spoilers}}
-'''Please note that the legitimacy of this plot outline is disputed.'''
+http://tviv.org/Lost
-Survivors think they are being rescued when they see a boat. Jack swims out to the boat. Desmond is inside the bunker. They bring him ashore. Desmond has tons of booze with him, and a dark secret. Jack asks him where he was, and what he did.... During the 23 days he was gone, Desmond managed to fix his sailboat and sail off the island. Jack asks him what he isn't telling them.
+http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lost
-<br />We get FLASHBACKS of Desmond's life before the island, and when he first crashed there. Notable points here would be that Desmond was married to a girl named Penny, Libby was married to Charles Widmore, and Desmond borrowed Libby's boat for 200 grand for his race around the world. Desmond also made the glow-in-the-dark map in the hatch. And Kelvin is, or was, the twin of a certain Joe Inman, CIA man from Sayid's flashbacks. We see Kelvin drag Desmond to the hatch, type in the numbers and press the button, show Desmond the film, and Desmond begins pushing the button as well.
+http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/
-<br />Present day: At night, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan involving Desmond's boat. Desmond disappears off into the jungle, heading for the hatch. The next day, Jack and gang load up to go. The 5 survivors depart. Charlie tells Hurley good luck. Michael leads them off. In the hatch, Eko continues to push the button. Locke enters and they talk. Locke laughs that he still pushes the button. Eko says he is a man of faith. Jack Kate Michael Sawyer and Hurley make their way though the jungle. They begin to pass though what Hurley says is the Dark Territory. There are MANY fallen trees around them. They camp for the night. Michael talks about how these people have harmed the survivors, particularly the 5 of them. He talks about how they killed Shannon, Libby, etc. Locke and Eko are having their discussion in the hatch. Locke argues with Eko on how he thought this place was destiny, that the island built him up just to knock him down, and how it is all an experiment. Locke tells him he plans to see what happens when the button reaches zero once and for all. He wants to make sure he is right. Eko doesn't agree with this. Desmond reaches the hatch and talks with Locke and Eko inside. He seems pissed. He asks Locke if he continued to push the button, to which Locke says yes. Desmond doesn't believe Locke.
+http://www.lost-media.com/
-<br />Atop one of the hills, Jack and gang find a big pile of tubes from the Pearl hatch. Michael tells them they aren't far now and they must keep going. He leads them to the the spot where Zeke and The Others captured him. They begin to hear whispering. LOTS of it this time. Jack yells out that it's a trap when he spots one of them in the trees. They all open fire, it seems as if they are surrounded. There is another lockdown inside the hatch. We don't know why, but could this be some sort of final test? Locke is trapped inside the geodome with Desmond. Eko is locked out. Eko yells at Locke that he can't let the timer reach zero, but Locke has other ideas. The timer is at 107 minutes. Bernard talks with Claire and the baby, inquiring on what the vaccine is for. Claire explains to him, they bond. Sayid talks with Jin and Sun. He formulates a plan with Jin. Sun translates for him. Jin understands. Eko seeks Charlie's help on the situation in the hatch. He rushes to the beach and tells him they need to go gather the dynamite Charlie knows where it is. In the Hatch, Desmond and Locke argue about the button. Locke tells Desmond the button is not real, that it was all an experiment of the Dharma Initiative. Desmond screams at him, "Don't tell me it isn't real!"
+http://www.insidetheexperience.com/
-<br />Desmond tells Locke that he sailed away from the island, and was going to get them all rescued. But when he reached land, he discovered THERE WAS NO HUMANITY left. Desmond says that the entire world was not there. There was absolutely nothing. He believes that the button is to blame, recalling what the original Dharma film said. Locke is shaken by this, but thinks Desmond is crazy. The timer is at 43 minutes by now. Eko and Charlie gather dynamite from the stash and run to the hatch. Eko plans to blow the blast door. Charlie thinks he's off his rocker. Eko believes Desmond that the timer DOES do something when it reaches zero.
+http://www.lostlinks.net/
-<br />Meanwhile Jack and gang are all been captured by The Others. They are being led back to the village. Jin and Sayid have taken Desmond's boat and followed Rousseau's map along the shoreline to where Sayid believes the location of The Others could be. They spot the giant rock with the hole in it. Sayid sneaks up along the rocks with his gun, Jin trails him. To make it short, they interrupt the party and attack The Others. A fight ensues. Sawyer fights Zeke, and rips his fake beard off. SAYID IS SHOT, straight in the chest and falls back into the water. As chaos ensues in the camp, Michael sneaks up to the door in the cliff. There's a Dharma symbol resembling a door. One of the guards blocking the door is shot. Michael enters in and closes it behind him. Inside this room is the BIG reveal.
-<br />Back at the hatch, the timer is at 23 minutes. Eko and Charlie enter in with the dynamite. Locke and Desmond argue inside as the timer counts down past 15 minutes, 8 minutes, and 4 minutes. The beeping starts up loudly. Eko blows the blast doors; Charlie is knocked against the cement wall, unconscious. Eko runs in to push the button before the time runs out. Locke has knocked Desmond out unconscious with Eko's Jesus stick. Locke and Eko come to fists. Locke beats Eko to the ground. He takes the stick and SMASHES THE COMPUTER. It's busted, so now there's no stopping the timer. At the Others camp, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley seem to have overpowered The Others. Inside The Door, Michael finds Walt but is confronted by the FAKE HENRY GALE. Fenry tells Michael everything about what he is seeing right now, which involves three other people, the plane crash, Hanso, and a key. There's a SINGLE monitoring TV inside this room as well. It's a monitor for Station 3, The Swan. Fenry tells Michael that he needs to leave the island now if he wants to escape with Walt. The boat is ready for him at a back exit. The timer at the hatch reaches ZERO, and something does happen. Michael and Walt watch what happens as they escape the island with the boat, leaving everyone else behind. If we are to believe Desmond, they will find nothing else left.
+== All Encompassing Theory ==
-Source: [http://lostinsidescoop.blogspot.com/]
+Just random thoughts at the moment ...
---[[User:Dow lord|Dow lord]] 16:11, 24 May 2006 (PDT) Nice theory, but I think Eko will use use the dynamite for the magnetic part of the hatch, hence him discovering it in Three Minutes.
+Timwline
+: Many years ago [[the Island]] was hit by a meteorite, which formed the [[Crater]] (this leads into why the [[DHARMA Initiative]] are so interested in [[Meteorology]].  The meteorite has unique magnetic properties.
+: An early civilisation crashed on the Island but couldn't escape, they built the statue.
+: At some point the DeGroots/Hanso discovered the Island
+: Hanso harnessed the unique magnetic properties for other experiments:
+:psychology -  long-term exposure to the magnet affects the brain?
+:parapsychology - which as a conseqeucne enhances
+:zoology - as a side issue the Island has some unique animals as a consequence of the magnet's affect on DNA
+:electromagnetism - study of the magnet
+:utopian social (engineering?) - combined with Valenzetti as they are concerned that life will come to an end very soon
+: [[The Incident]] caused Three Mile Island or some other major disaster [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters]
+Other
+. Him is Alvar Hanso