In the 7th official podcast when talking about this episode they mention that we see the skyline of London and that a famous building that music lovers will recognise and we should note the signage on that building; and should be noted as something that might be useful in the future, in an Easter egg kinda way.
All i could spot was the Brixton Subway station, Its hardly skyline!, and its has the typical red-circle UK subway signage on it.
Oh! and now i spotted a very brief shot of Battersea Powerstation which has been decommissioned for many years and was subject of a massive bid system to come up with a new use for it and the land its on.
Musically it is of course famous for being the cover of a Pink Floyd album cover [1977] "Animals". It features the building and a flying pig.
About all we can say about that is its a decommissioned power station... could that be what the swan is all about? Hardly original now but maybe a stronger pointer. --user:MRNasher
How quickly John forgets that he saw a plane in a dream, which led to the real one, which led to Boone's death. But he beats up poor Charlie similar circumstances. LOSTonthisdarnisland 07:18, 11 May 2006 (PDT)
- I think that was the point. Even as early as this ep, Locke was doubting what happened in season 1 and whether he really shoulda been so blind in following his visions and letting Boone die. --Tarhun 11:02, 11 July 2006 (PDT)
Rename[]
Here is a way to use an actual + symbol with spaces, Fire + Water. So how about renaming to this?-- Dan talk contribs email 16:49, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
- Rename-- Dan talk contribs email 16:51, 31 August 2007 (PDT)
- Rename - If there's a way to change it so that the + can actually be used, then definitely change it to that. random2502 11:07, 3 September 2007 (PDT)
- Rename - Closer to the real title than ±. --Nogard 03:05, 10 September 2007 (PDT)
- Delete and Make New Apparently, rename isn't Working, so delete this page and make a new one at Fire + Water --Sauronsmatrix 05:47, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
- Undecided - Mediawiki doesn't allow + to be used for articles, and as far as I know, making it bold won't solve it.--Baker1000 08:26, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
- Unfortunately guys it is not possible. No matter what code you use Mediawiki does not allow the "+" sign to be used in an article. We cannot create an article using the link/code you suggested from this article (not possible to move to that article name), cannot link to that page without the proper code and once I created the page you suggested with a single word on it (see Recent Changes List) the article disappeared. As much as we'd like to do this, it is at this moment in time technically impossible. -Mr.Leaf 10:47, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
- It's ashame that it worked only partly. The link worked before the article was created but not after.-- Dan talk contribs email 10:55, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
Alternate Rename Solutions[]
Would Renaming it to any of the following work: Fire † Water Fire ┼ Water Fire ╬ Water
--Avindratalkcontribs email 18:01, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
- I believe all 3 would work. I am fine with the current naming although I would pick the first option of the above if their was a user consensus to change it. -Mr.Leaf 18:47, 11 September 2007 (PDT)
- I don't have any problems with the current name, but I don't see why it can't be called "Fire and Water"--Baker1000 08:11, 12 September 2007 (PDT)
- I think that I would choose the first option too.-- Dan talk contribs email 09:38, 12 September 2007 (PDT)
Why not name it Fire and Water and then use a template to cover the title? I've seen it done on other wikis, for instance, here. --Nogard 02:27, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
"Fire and Water" seems to be a good idea.--Phil (talk) 05:15, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
- Because that is not the name of the episode. It is "Fire plus Water" not "Fire and water" If anything we should use "Fire plus water". But when this article was created the symbol was used because it was the closest possible to the official title we could create. IMO renaming it to any of the above suggested symbols is pointless. All it would do is force us to change a lot of redirects and really 99.9% of the people who visit this page would not care if it the current symbol, a new symbol or a word. I think it works the way it is but thats only my opinion. -Mr.Leaf 07:37, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
Okay, how's that? --Nogard 10:21, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
- looks good, thanks for doing that. I think leaving it the way it is the current real article title as all the redirects work and no one will no the difference. -Mr.Leaf 10:24, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
- It's great! Well Done Nogard, it's a great solution, I'm glad that we finally could use the actual + symbol, and thanks Mr.Leaf and everyone else for your support.-- Dan talk contribs email 12:07, 15 September 2007 (PDT)
- The plus sign now works in page titles with the MediaWiki software; I've moved the page and everything seems to be working just fine. Actually, it has apparently worked since version 1.8.3, which was released in January 2007. -- Graft talk contributions 02:40, 25 March 2008 (PDT)
Faith in Christianity[]
The trivia section states: "Catholic doctrine forbids the baptism of an adult (such as Claire) unless they have professed faith in the basic truths of Christianity, but Mr. Eko did not ask Claire anything about her beliefs."
Doesn't the mere fact that Claire expressed a desire to have Aaron baptized demonstrate faith in the basic truths of Christianity? A person who didn't have faith in the basic truths of Christianity wouldn't care about having their child baptized (as there would be no reason to if you didn't already believe in Christianity), so is this really worth mentioning as trivia? I'm suggesting it be removed... does anyone disagree?--Faraday100 22:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Charlie's First Dream[]
This dream seems to foretell of Charlie's role in the season finale of Season 3. His family says that his musical ability will "save them".
Possible cultural reference[]
Sawyer called Hurley "Horace" when they played blackjack Isn't it a reference to ELO's "Horace Wimp"?(Sawyer tried to convince Hurley to make a move on Libby in this scene) --Matan815 Capsule Dump 17:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Not just the Catholic Church[]
From the general trivia section:
- "The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus was born without sin."
This theology is not limited to the Catholic Church. This teaching comes from the Bible, and therefore, any Christian church or denomination that forms their doctrine straight from the Bible will also teach that Jesus was born without sin and disagree with Eko's statements. Here are some Biblical references:
- 2 Corinthians 5:21 states that Jesus "had no sin". (The context in the verses around it clearly indicate that the verse is talking about Jesus Christ.)
- Hebrews 4:15 states that Jesus was tempted in every way, "yet was without sin".
- Matthew 3:13-17 contains the account of John baptising Jesus. Nowhere in it does it mention Jesus being cleansed of anything.
I'm not sure how much of this detailed information really belongs under that one point about Mr. Eko's theology, but I do think the existing statement needs to be changed in some way to not imply that it's just a Catholic teaching, though still mention that the Catholic Church teaches it, since Eko himself is Catholic. --Celebok 20:44, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
- The Catholic church is what's relevant to the episode, because it's to do with Eko's religion. Saying that the Catholic church has such-and-such a teaching doesn't imply that no other church believes that either, it's just picking out the information relevant to this episode. Jimbo the Tubby talk contributions 22:07, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
- I understand that, but I would still like to at least see a small phrase or side note stating either that the teaching comes from the Bible or that Christianity in general, including the Catholic Church, teaches this. As a non-Catholic Christian, I don't like the implication that this teaching is something that the Catholic Church made up, which the current wording makes it sound like. --Celebok 07:06, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Dream, not flashback[]
I moved Charlie's Christmas to the "on the island" section. It's partly a memory, but it's a memory in Charlie's dream, and he's dreaming on the island. --- Balk Of Fame ♪ talk 20:59, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Bloopers and continuity errors[]
The music sheet Charlie is writing for his new song doesn't have the lyrics written on it, yet Liam joins in and harmonizes on the line they sing together. How did he know the words?--Paleored 01:16, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
Statues in stash[]
Was Charlie using drugs or was he under withdrawal symptoms, or Island testing him? Did anyone count the statues both in "23rd Psalm" and here? Gevorg89 (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)