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| − | I think the food statement is misleading; we know that when Hurley did his inventory two months worth was all that remained at the time, but it is unknown how much food was normally present or how often if was replenished. |
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| + | '''The Others''' is a term the survivors of [[The Crash|the crash]] and [[Danielle Rousseau]] use for the other inhabitants of the island. More commonly, '''The Others''' refer to the group that kidnapped [[Walt]] at the end of [[Season 1]] (aka the [[seabillies]]) and in the episodes [[The Hunting Party]] and [[Maternity Leave]]. |
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| − | == Shouldn't this article be merged with [[The Hatch]] == |
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| + | This term is also used for those that took many of the [[Tailies]]. The [[Whispers]] are also said to come from some of them. In one of the Lost Podcasts, the producers gave a hint by saying that the term '''The Others''' is arbitrary - it can be based on any group of people, making everyone outside that group an "other". Based on that and the variety of descriptions of "The Others", it is very possible that they do not constitute a defined single group on the Island. |
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| − | Seeing as the swan and the hatch are in fact, the same thing? |
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| − | What name it would take would be open to personal interpretation! |
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| + | → An interesting reference is the movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0230600/ "The Others"] which also [[Mindfuck|messes with the minds]] of the viewers. |
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| − | You are correct. --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 11:23, 25 January 2006 (PST) |
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| + | ==Facts== |
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| − | I'll get on with it and then redirect [[The Hatch]] to [[The Swan]]. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 12:01, 19 February 2006 (PST) |
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| + | * According to the [[Tailies]], the Others don't leave tracks (except for [[Ethan Rom|Ethan]] while he was hauling [[Claire Littleton|Claire]] and [[Charlie Pace|Charlie]]) and presumably [[Goodwin]] or someone would have noticed. |
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| + | * [[Ethan Rom]], whose name is an anagram for "Other Man", kidnapped [[Claire Littleton|Claire]] and [[Charlie Pace|Charlie]] |
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| + | * [[Charlie Pace|Charlie]] was found hanging from a tree by [[Jack Shephard|Jack]] and Kate. We assume that this is the work of "The Others". After [[Jack]] and [[Kate]] took his body down from the tree, [[Jack]] resuscitated him. [[Charlie]] also stated he had no memory of the events that occurred during the time he was with [[Ethan]]. |
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| + | * [[Claire Littleton|Claire]] escaped from [[Ethan]]/"The Others" and returned to the camp. She had amnesia that went all the way back to before the plane crash. |
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| + | * [[Rousseau]] claims that they captured her child, [[Alex]]. |
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| + | * [[Rousseau]] also says they "were the carriers", possibly referring to [[The Sickness]]. |
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| + | * They are "like animals" according to [[Ana-Lucia]]. |
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| + | * They seem to be responsible for the [[Whisper|backwards whispering]] that happens in the jungle. |
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| + | * They attempted to compile a list of the survivors. |
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| + | * They claim the island is "theirs." |
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| + | * They appear to have some type of insight into the survivors doings or some monitoring capability as indicated in the episode "[[The Hunting Party]]" where they knew [[Locke]] had more than one gun when the survivor party came looking for [[Michael]]. It has been suggested that Walt gave them this intelligence, especially since [[Mr. Friendly]] refers to [[Locke]] as "Mr. Locke" which is something that [[Walt]], and only [[Walt]], called him. |
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| + | * Have access to guns and crude explosives. |
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| + | * They carry knives, one of which was found on the female [[Ana Lucia]] killed when they kidnapped people from the camp. [[Ana Lucia]] later states that it is a U.S. Army knife that is "probably 20 years old", which could belong to [[Goodwin]] since he said that he was with the Peace Corps. |
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| + | * Quoted [[Alvar Hanso|Alvar Hanso]]: "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity". From http://www.thehansofoundation.org Referred to Hanso as "somebody a whole lot smarter than anyone [on the island]" |
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| + | * There is a member of The Others called [[Alex]], this Alex is [[Danielle]]'s daughter. |
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| + | * On [[The Staff]] there are costumes, fake beard and theatrical glue, possibly belonging to [[Mr. Friendly]] and the group of barefoot, savage-looking Others which attacked the tailies. |
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| + | * Are organized and have an agenda with the survivors |
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| + | * All Others we have seen so far have American accents; most are Caucasian, but [[Ms. Klugh]] and one extra in the background of the scene at the Others' camp in [[Three Minutes]] appeared to be African-American. |
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| + | * [[Michael]] claims to have found the Others and claims that the crash survivors can fight them. |
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| + | * [[Michael]] claims that there are only about 22 of them and they live in tents and teepees and are worse off than the crash survivors. |
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| + | * [[Michael]] claims they live on dried fish. |
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| + | * [[Michael]] claims they are mostly "old" and that half of the group are women. |
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| + | * [[Michael]] thinks [[Walt]], [[Cindy]], [[Emma]], [[Zack]] and the other captured survivors are in a hatch near The Others camp, which is guarded by two people with guns. The two guns are the only two guns he saw. |
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| + | ** [[Michael]]'s claims may not have merit, for reasons explained below in Theories. |
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| + | * The Others think that to be "kidnapped" by them you have to be "[[good people]]" / "a good person". This suggests that [[Jack]], [[Locke]], [[Kate]], [[Sawyer]], and the other survivers are not good people. However, [[Henry Gale]] later calls [[Locke]] "one of the good ones". |
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| + | * According to [[Walt]], the others are only "pretending", |
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| + | * Want [[Michael]] to bring [[Hurley]], [[Jack]], [[Kate]] and [[Sawyer]] to their camp for an unknown reason. |
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| + | * [[Kelvin Inman]] and [[Desmond]] refer to them as '''the hostiles''' instead of the Others. |
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| + | * They frequently claim to be "good people" or "the good guys." |
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| + | ==Members== |
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| − | Merged and redirected. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 15:17, 19 February 2006 (PST) |
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| + | * [[He]] or [[Him]], the mysterious and, so far, unseen leader of the Others. |
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| + | * [[Mr. Friendly]], also known as [[Tom]], who seems to be their spokesman according to the faux Henry Gale. |
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| + | * [[Ethan Rom]], infiltrated the Mid Section survivors, and was killed by [[Charlie]]. |
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| + | * [[Goodwin]], infiltrated the Tailies, and was killed by [[Ana Lucia]]. |
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| + | * "Molotov woman"; the one who destroys the Second Raft during Walt's kidnapping. |
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| + | * "Twin #1" and "Twin #2" (seen during Walt's kidnapping alongside Mr. Friendly and "Molotov woman"). |
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| + | * Three people (2 men, 1 woman) killed by [[Mr. Eko]] and [[Ana Lucia]] when they came to kidnap people. |
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| + | * The faux [[Henry Gale]], who is apparently high in the Other's hierarchy. |
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| + | * Several unknown persons in the [[The Staff]]. |
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| + | * [[Ms. Klugh]], as seen in [[Three Minutes]] and [[Live Together, Die Alone]]. Also known as [[Bea]]. |
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| + | * [[Pickett]], along with more rank-and-file Others, including: Two men accompanying Mr. Friendly & Pickett, and two guards at [[The Door|the Door Hatch]] in The Others' camp. |
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| + | * Two people tailing [[Jack]], [[Kate]], [[Sawyer]], [[Hurley]], & [[Michael]] in [[Live Together, Die Alone]]. One of these two was shot and killed by [[Sawyer]]. |
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| + | Children and people taken by The Others: |
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| − | In order to prevent SPOILERs, I think you shouldn't merge em, cause if anyone who doesn't know |
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| − | about The Swan (1st season watcher) needs or wants info about the Hatch, then s/he would learn |
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| − | much more than s/he was supposed to. Just my opinion. --docZ |
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| + | * [[Alex]]. She later helps Claire escape from Ethan and the rest of the Others. As of the end of Season 2, she seems to be an unwilling participant |
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| − | People know about lospedia being a potential spoiler, so i think merging the hatch with the swan is needed--ToMA |
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| + | * Two children, one with a [[Teddy Bear|teddy bear]], kidnapped from the [[Tailies]]. Probably [[Zack]] and [[Emma]].(MIA) |
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| + | * [[Walt]] |
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| + | * [[Michael]]. Though freed, he is being manipulated by them. |
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| + | * [[Claire]] who is kidnapped and taken to the Medical Hatch by Ethan prior to the birth of [[Aaron]]. [[Charlie]] is also abducted at the same time but presumably left for dead and later found by [[Kate]] and [[Jack]]. |
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| + | *[[Cindy]]. Taken by "others". Eko is blamed for this by Ana Lucia because he wanted to stop and help an injured [[Sawyer]]. Her whereabouts are uknown. |
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| + | ==Theories== |
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| − | I just unmerged "Hatch" a few days ago. Reason: "Hatch" is too much of a common theme. Many people refer to the Arrow and the Medical Station as "Hatches". for Example "Medical Hatch". Or "maybe they will find another Hatch in Episode XYZ". There is a very prominent link on the "Hatch" page now that goes to The Swan, the rest of it dealing with "Hatch" in general. |
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| + | * The Others have four toes by way of genetic modification. Without the pinky toe it might make them faster and walk quietly. They built the [[Statue]] to honor their four-toed foot. |
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| + | * [[Gerald DeGroot|Gerald]] and [[Karen DeGroot]] (from the [[Orientation Film]]) may be part of [[The Others]], or perhaps are just another group of people on or near the island. |
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| + | * In "[[...And_Found]]", we see one of them carrying a teddy bear. The teddy bear seems to be from one of the two children from the tail end of the plane, who we learn about in "[[The Other 48 Days]]". |
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| + | * The Others are connected to the (as yet unseen) [[DHARMA Initiative]] station studying "utopian social _____" (listed in the [[Orientation Film]] as one of the six foci of the Initiative). Reaching utopian society is attempted through the development of a virus ([[the sickness]]) that selectively kills only [[Good Family|"bad" people]]. The secluded island is the test area for this DHARMA-made virus and the survivors are test subjects (mixed group of sinners and good people). When the initiative is certain the virus will only harm "bad" people, it will be released to the world - and create utopia. |
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| + | *The Others are researchers left on the island after the DHARMA Initiative lost funding. They have either been forgotten or were left on purpose. They are possibly all insane and obsessed with completing their research. |
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| + | *The Others are good people trying to save the [[Good Family|good people and the kids]] from a danger, though they are willing to be ruthless for the "greater good". |
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| + | *The Others are resurrected people of those who died on the island ala [[Adam and Eve]], [[Boone]], [[Shannon]] etc. |
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| + | *The Others are descendants of the crew of the [[Black Rock]] perhaps mingled with survivors of the Dharma Initiative. |
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| + | *The others are clones. Two of them (at least) look similar to [[Gerald DeGroot|Gerald]] and [[Karen DeGroot]] and there were twins on the boat, as well. |
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| + | * There is [http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/104157.html| evidence] that there is not simply one tight group of "others". There is also a hint to this in the podcasts, that of course the '''division between "us" and "others" is arbitrary'''. We have seen the group of scientists in the [[Medical Station]], who also walk around on the island in [[fake beard|disguise]] (possibly carrying out some sort of [[Utopian Social Engineering|social experiment]] à la "Lord of the Flies" with the survivors). And then there are the ones that appear rather insane (possibly "infected" by some [[The Sickness|illness]] - something that the [[Quarantine]] signs support). And there may be more people on the island. [[Danielle Rousseau]] and [[Desmond]], for example. |
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| + | ** We have to keep in mind, that the survivors of the crash have not yet ventured much into the island. |
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| + | ** What is rather harsh is, that people get killed, which would indicate that it is either a very radical experiment or something went wrong. |
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| + | ** To expand on this thinking: The experiment may be so radical, that the reason for the island is so that the experiment isn't subject to any law and the scientists are not subject to arrest. Perhaps by being so isolated, they are hoping to avoid pesky medical ethics and the spirit of the 3rd Geneva Convention. (Especially the part about experimentation on POWs.) |
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| + | * There is strong suggestion to that the Others are infact workers from Dharma Initiative. In The other 48 days Ana Lucia finds a list of survivors from a dead attacker. In Maternity Leave Zeke is angry at Ethan for kidnapping Claire without being finished with a list. This can likely be the same list of people who are going to be taken. |
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| + | * The Others are linked to [[Oceanic Airlines]], or at least to [[Flight 815]]. |
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| + | * The Others are the social utopian experiment referred to in the [[Orientation film]], and they take the "good people" from the groups of survivors to be part of their community. They leave all the bad people, which is why the main characters all have so many problems and there doesn't seem to be any decent people around. |
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| + | * They do not leave tracks as they travel around the island underground. |
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| + | * [[Cindy]] is one of the Others' [[Dharma Recruiter|link to the outside world]] and from whom they got the "good people" list. |
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| + | * The Others could be monitoring events in or around the hatch remotely, and have contacted Michael via the terminal for the express purpose of capturing him. |
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| + | * Similarly the others could have determined that [[Henry Gale]] was the best person to try to use to recruit Locke, based on their observations. This would explain why the Others are primarily interested in people who spend time in the hatch. |
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| + | *Michael has joined the Others so he can be close to Walt. |
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| + | * The others are "fast-grown", in that they're children who have been grown into adults much faster than naturally. This could explain the child-like distictions of "good people" and "bad people" that [[Henry Gale]] seems to have, as well as explain away [[Walt]]'s growth over the past few months. |
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| + | * The Others are responsible for the cloning and Eternal Life program that is taking place on the island, therefore they want to have full control over the way genes are mixed on this island. This explains why they kidnapped Claire while she was pregnant and got killed the two women who had a love affair on the island, Shannon thanks to Walt's sudden appearance and Ana-Lucia through Michael. |
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| + | * There may be two groups of Others on the island: |
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| + | ** A "high-tech" one in charge of the DHARMA Initiative and making sure everything stays under control. They are led by Him and sometimes dress as savages to fool people. |
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| + | ** A "Low-tech" one made of people who have escaped from the control of the previous group and who do actually live as savages. |
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| + | *They have different procedures for different situations that arise on the island, e.g. with a large group of people who are unfamiliar with each other, infiltration is an option. A commercial airliner is easier to infiltrate than a presumably one-manned sailing boat ([Desmond]]) or a small science boat ([[Danielle]]). perhaps the others infected Danielle's crew and immunized her; that is why she didn't die (perhaps they did this to get [[Alex]] with little struggle). With Desmond they sent out [[Kelvin]] (possibly an other) to persuade him to push the button (this way he stays out of their hair and does the work they were meant to be doing themselves. |
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| + | **They do all this because of a sense of paranoia or just because [[He|Him]] tells them to. |
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| + | *May be taking Jack, Kate, and Sawyer to a hatch / facility in the ocean for season 3. Then when the lostaways go after them they take the sailboat to try to get them back. |
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| + | *May have a link to the outside world. Assuming that the compass heading given to [[Michael]] by [[Henry Gale]] will actually take him away from the island, the Others have a way to reach people outside of the island. |
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| + | *The Others used to man the [[stations]] and rebelled once they found out that they where all part of an experiment, with each station having its own experiment. They all rebelled believing nothing would happen if they stopped doing their tasks. That's why they think they are "the good guys", fighting against [[DHARMA]] / the system. The only people that didn't rebel were the original occupants of [[The Swan]], who believed that their station wasn't just an experiment. When they didn't leave [[The Swan]] and join with them, 'The Others' turned hostile and later abandoned them. ([[Kelvin]] called 'the others' the 'Hostiles'). |
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| − | I am not sure if "The Hatch should not better be redirected towards "Hatch", but since "The Hatch" is most often used for The Swan ... I don't know for sure. My vote though would be to redirect "The Hatch" to "Hatch". Anyone disagree??? --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 12:45, 5 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | In my opinion, I think we should should use the word "station" instead of "hatch" consequently. Well, I _personally_ prefer it :-) For me, the hatch was simply a small mysterious door in the ground that we encountered in the first season. Now, we got stations; a storage station, a medical station and a ...uhm... station with a computer in it. My reason is that a hatch is an opening to a space, while a station IS that space. Anyway, I think "The Hatch" should be a redirect to "The Swan", we got a big, fat spoiler warning on the front page.. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 14:52, 5 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | Maybe we shouldn't compact too much. The Hatch is an entity in itself as is the dome, gun safe, food cupboard. The Swan could become a huge page if all these things become important and discussion areas. --[[user:MRNasher|MRNasher]] |
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| − | == About the food statement == |
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| − | Still... Hurley specifically said (I think it was) three months worth of food for one person. Replenished or not, who knows. Consider this, the stint in the hatch was 540 days. That's 18 months roughly. We know Desmond wasn't there that long, so it could be that Kelvin/Calvin, stocked him up not long before he "died" (where's the body Desmond?), so if Hurley was right on the 3 months thing that means Desmond has been in the Hatch for at least 15 months. So if the survivors are on the island another 70-80 days will someone come to stock up the hatch? Also consider that Zeke basically yelled at Locke for opening the Hatch, so it might now be known not to send more supplies. And consider that the food, especially candy bars which don't have a super-long shelf life if they've got nuts or cookies in them, was fresh. --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 11:23, 25 January 2006 (PST) |
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| − | I have to agree with Circeus. After all, Libby made it a point that the washing machine was quite new despite everything else being old and dated. |
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| − | I think it would be silly to think that someone from outside of the island comes to replenish the food storage, but I do find it odd that none of the characters have questioned who replenished the food 15 months ago. - Danny, 12:20, 23 February 2006 (CST) |
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| − | It seems very odd that it has a hatchway with Quarantine written on it that leads up and out (I don't think we know if there was ever a handle on the inside) but the airlocks doors, that you can just walk in an out of, appear to have no such warning. |
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| − | I have to wonder where Desmond thinks the hatch leads.. its not far away from the other door. In fact you could walk from one to the other fairly quickly, assuming the gradient between the hatch and the door wasn't unclimbable. |
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| − | Desmond readily knows the wheel on the airlock door sticks, but has trouble remembering his name. Which suggests he uses the door. |
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| − | He doesn't seem bothered about infection either. |
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| − | --[[user:MRNasher|MRNasher]] |
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| − | That's interesting, since it seems that many people think, that Quarantine is also written on the exit of the Swan as well as The Arrow. Is it certain, that the doors do not have that word on them? I also think Desmond knew how to go outside and did that. He also crashed on the island, so to get into the Swan, he had to go there from the jungle. He was not really a regular replacement for the station. --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 11:32, 12 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | I wouldn't be bothered about any infections if I knew I was vaccinated against them. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 02:04, 13 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | Thinking about it... Desmond could also be slightly crazed and sleep deprived from his punishing ordeal. |
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| − | And Yes.. if he did go outside (well he had to enter the place and Kelvin had to come to the beach to 'rescue' him originally) they my have been injecting since then to maintain the Quarantine. |
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| − | I suppose we are assuming the people inside are Quarantined from whats outside because of the (lack of a) handle, but could it be the other way round.. or even that Quarantine refers to something else entirely. |
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| − | So far 'The Sickness' has not been seen, and we have Rousseau's word that it exists and Desmond also asks Locke about how many have gotten sick/dead so he thinks theres an illness involved here. |
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| − | Could it be that when Desmond says "So the worlds still out there", referring to the outside world, he thinks something world ending has happened. It could just be an ironic statement about his confined existance. |
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| − | Desmond laughs as Locke says that 4 left on a raft that morning. That night the Others send out a boat to look for the raft. |
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| − | Desmond would have some idea about the waters and their location as a sailor. Which would explain his rye laugh as well. |
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| − | The more i think about Desmond the more i think hes no innocent. He's a stimulus for the numbers task and its possible he was living the life down in the hatch shortly after Locke is 'lead' to the hatch by Ethan. |
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| − | After all we know the stock and appliances in the hatch are not sufficient and in keeping with his tale. |
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| − | Jack more or less states these points to him, he avoids the food question and reinforces the importance of the task to the newcomers. |
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| − | Desmond's arrival at the hatch might even have been heralded by the turning on of the light that Locke sees through the hatch window. Or it could be he did it to keep Locke's interest in opening it. This is something that Locke fails to mention to anyone.. even when they decide to open it and venture in. |
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| − | --[[user:MRNasher|MRNasher]] |
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| − | I don't think the raft incident is related to Desmond at all, The Others have anough spies around to know exactly what's going on at the beach at any given time anyway, and beyond that, I don't think Desmond had any way of contacting anyone either due to technical constraits and him not being alone at any time. |
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| − | However, I do think he's not exactly telling everything either. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 13:37, 13 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | == The Night Boone Died == |
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| − | The night Boone died Locke was crouched at the hatch begging for answers when the lights flashed on giving him reassurance. Why? What caused Desmond to turn them on?--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 09:37, 13 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | * Wasn't Locke banging on the hatch? Desmond might have heard the noise and turned on the light to see what was going on. |
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| − | I think the real question is the whole purpose of the light. I don't think it's part of the mirror system and just by the sheer luminance it produces one would know that it's not really meant for reading. It's got enough juice to project a sizeable cone from somewhere within Swan and through the tunnels, up a 15 meters shaft and through a tiny dimmed window, it would also require a sizable power source. It hasn't been turned on, that we know of, since Desmond left the hatch. It's possible that it's part of whatever's causing the EM field, and that Desmond had access to it but closed the blastdoors when the perimeter was breached. The light could also be a side effect for whatever the EM machinery does on a schedule, and the reason the hatch was buried in the first place was to prevent the light being seen from the hatch window. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 13:33, 13 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | Would it be fair to say that Desmond was likely right down by the shaft just before the light came on. Kate was silenced and a massive flood of light would have obscured Locke's vision of what was happening down below. |
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| − | You have to agree that the sad looking torch by the hatch well is unlikely to be the source of such a massive flood light but it could have light up the window when Locke was lying on the hatch. |
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| − | very interesting points there. -- [[User:Kaini]] |
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| − | I don't think a flashlight would do for the proportions of light when Locke was doing the lying & crying, the light cone was easily few meters high through the dimmed window, and there was still the 15 meter shaft with no way to get up beneath. |
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| − | Also there's really no any viable reason for Desmond to play with lights before (well unless he was bored) When the hatch got blown up, he was surprised, he wasn't expecting anyone. If he knew someone was coming, he probably would have been more prepared too. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 02:09, 14 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | Maybe the system of mirrors could be used to amplify and project any light down the tunnel.--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 09:54, 14 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | Mirrors can't amplify anything. The telescope and mirrors thing is curious though, what's wrong with CCTV cameras, they existed 20 years ago. At the foot of the hatch there was a mirror facing upwards presumably to monitor what was going on through the window, daytime/nightime/dynamite and the floodlight that Jack examines would allow Des to see what was happening in the shaft itself. Doesn't explain the light that Locke saw though unless Des was wandering around and turned on some lights, at the right time. Another thing that's curious is that there's no ladder to get up the shaft with, only the short one at the top so it's can't be an exit. But it is a plot device otherwise everyone would have crammed there straight away. |
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| − | Also if Calvin/Kelvin just wandered out of the jungle and found Desmond he must have been trying to commit suicide cos he died soon after, presumably of the infection. |
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| − | The ladder looked like it had been broken off a few rungs down. During the "incident" perhaps? Also Desmond didn't say that Kelvin had died right awy only that they had worked together for a while and then he died. I don't think he said what he died of.--[[User:134.241.122.163|134.241.122.163]] 09:08, 22 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | the computer area inside the hatch is housed within a geodesic dome. probably not worth an entry to itself, but the guy who discovered the geodesic sphere, buckminster fuller, was very much a futurist dedicated to advancement of the human race, much like the members of dharma seem to be in the orientation film. i can't help but think that this is intentional. -- [[User:Kaini]] |
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| − | ... especially since it seems to make no real sense to put a dome like that underground when everything else is just concrete tunnels... --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 02:07, 14 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | This is a very intriguing fact! Should we have a paragraph about it? --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 03:30, 14 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | To the right of the doorway of the hemisphere 4 consecutive triangles are missing from the wall. There appears to be a space several feet wide from the surface of the room to an outer (rock?) wall. There are several (4?) florescent tubes running vertically from the floor alongside what appears to be a strengthening girder that arcs up from ground level and around the hemisphere possibly to strengthen and brace the hemisphere against the outer wall. There is a similar hole on the opposite wall to the left of the doorway and has (2) panels missing revealing rock and yellow light. |
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| − | This kind of hemisphere shape is extremely robust and strong. It is favoured as the shape for possible future Martian habitats due to the simplicity of its construction and its strength. |
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| − | Is it possible that the centre is meant to survive some sort of blast or impact, as indicate by the blast doors that would seal operators inside the dome area. |
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| − | One other triangle (front and centre, 3 triangles up, behind the computer bank) is blacked out, and is the vent that kate looks through, while all other remaining ones seem to be muck spattered and streaked to not clearly show what they obscure. |
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| − | The vent triangle is even shown in Dr Candle's model during the film. This seems sort of odd as it would possibly add a flaw to the structure of the dome. By Kate being able to crawl to it from another room we can assume that the blast door would prevent some disaster effecting the computer rooms least protected side (no surrounding rock) but toxic fumes were not an issue. |
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| − | I disagree on the blast-theory. For once - these structures are really stable, but to withstand blasts they would have been made of a stronger material - one that probably is not transparent. The big advantage of these structures is that they carry themselves and can withstand pressure - blasts are usually concentrated at one section, making the resistance towards such a blast highly dependant on the material that is used for the panels. The broken panels show, that the material can't be very strong, since someone obviously broke it. Underground, there are better structures than a dome built inside a cave when it comes to withstanding anything. I tend towards the theory, that the dome is there to give a limited illusion of daylight. --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 06:49, 14 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | It should be mentioned that Robert Anton Wilson was a friend and fan of Buckminster Fuller.--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 10:08, 14 March 2006 (PST) |
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| − | Maybe the structure doesnt need to be massively strong, the rock around it would be good for that, we know it has what looks like a blast door according to Michael. It could be that the dome is just an effective way to keep dust and muck off the computer equipment. Since the windows appear smeared that would be a good thing. |
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| − | How about if the dome was made as a non megnetic area! With a local magentic force, that might increase massively when the countdown finishes, you'd want to protect any computer equipment from that force that would interfere or destroy the computer bank. --user:MRNasher |
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| − | There is nothing to say that the dome isn't above ground. It could just be very overgrown with plant life. Assuming the thing has been there for 20 years (date of Apple II anyone?) then the dome was originally to let sunlight in. No one left the dome cos it was under quarantine and so the jungle grew over it. If there was an explosion outside the dome would be destroyed by the living area would be protected by the blast doors between the dome and the habitat and the external blast door that Desmond left through. Obviously it's on the edge of a hill cos the hatch goes upward through rock. The medical station is well hidden as is the Arrow station. |
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| − | I have an Apple II, and this building was made two years ago. Swan has washing machines that were made in the nineties. The hardware doesn't really tell us anything. The orientation film was supposedly made in the eighties, but even with that known, one could argue that it has got nothing to do with Swan necessarily. But yeah, 20 years is the popular estimate.--[[User:Skks|skks]] 10:04, 22 March 2006 (PST) |
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Revision as of 14:43, 26 May 2006
The Others
The Others is a term the survivors of the crash and Danielle Rousseau use for the other inhabitants of the island. More commonly, The Others refer to the group that kidnapped Walt at the end of Season 1 (aka the seabillies) and in the episodes The Hunting Party and Maternity Leave.
This term is also used for those that took many of the Tailies. The Whispers are also said to come from some of them. In one of the Lost Podcasts, the producers gave a hint by saying that the term The Others is arbitrary - it can be based on any group of people, making everyone outside that group an "other". Based on that and the variety of descriptions of "The Others", it is very possible that they do not constitute a defined single group on the Island.
→ An interesting reference is the movie "The Others" which also messes with the minds of the viewers.
Facts
- According to the Tailies, the Others don't leave tracks (except for Ethan while he was hauling Claire and Charlie) and presumably Goodwin or someone would have noticed.
- Ethan Rom, whose name is an anagram for "Other Man", kidnapped Claire and Charlie
- Charlie was found hanging from a tree by Jack and Kate. We assume that this is the work of "The Others". After Jack and Kate took his body down from the tree, Jack resuscitated him. Charlie also stated he had no memory of the events that occurred during the time he was with Ethan.
- Claire escaped from Ethan/"The Others" and returned to the camp. She had amnesia that went all the way back to before the plane crash.
- Rousseau claims that they captured her child, Alex.
- Rousseau also says they "were the carriers", possibly referring to The Sickness.
- They are "like animals" according to Ana-Lucia.
- They seem to be responsible for the backwards whispering that happens in the jungle.
- They attempted to compile a list of the survivors.
- They claim the island is "theirs."
- They appear to have some type of insight into the survivors doings or some monitoring capability as indicated in the episode "The Hunting Party" where they knew Locke had more than one gun when the survivor party came looking for Michael. It has been suggested that Walt gave them this intelligence, especially since Mr. Friendly refers to Locke as "Mr. Locke" which is something that Walt, and only Walt, called him.
- Have access to guns and crude explosives.
- They carry knives, one of which was found on the female Ana Lucia killed when they kidnapped people from the camp. Ana Lucia later states that it is a U.S. Army knife that is "probably 20 years old", which could belong to Goodwin since he said that he was with the Peace Corps.
- Quoted Alvar Hanso: "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity". From http://www.thehansofoundation.org Referred to Hanso as "somebody a whole lot smarter than anyone [on the island]"
- There is a member of The Others called Alex, this Alex is Danielle's daughter.
- On The Staff there are costumes, fake beard and theatrical glue, possibly belonging to Mr. Friendly and the group of barefoot, savage-looking Others which attacked the tailies.
- Are organized and have an agenda with the survivors
- All Others we have seen so far have American accents; most are Caucasian, but Ms. Klugh and one extra in the background of the scene at the Others' camp in Three Minutes appeared to be African-American.
- Michael claims to have found the Others and claims that the crash survivors can fight them.
- Michael claims that there are only about 22 of them and they live in tents and teepees and are worse off than the crash survivors.
- Michael claims they live on dried fish.
- Michael claims they are mostly "old" and that half of the group are women.
- Michael thinks Walt, Cindy, Emma, Zack and the other captured survivors are in a hatch near The Others camp, which is guarded by two people with guns. The two guns are the only two guns he saw.
- Michael's claims may not have merit, for reasons explained below in Theories.
- The Others think that to be "kidnapped" by them you have to be "good people" / "a good person". This suggests that Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, and the other survivers are not good people. However, Henry Gale later calls Locke "one of the good ones".
- According to Walt, the others are only "pretending",
- Want Michael to bring Hurley, Jack, Kate and Sawyer to their camp for an unknown reason.
- Kelvin Inman and Desmond refer to them as the hostiles instead of the Others.
- They frequently claim to be "good people" or "the good guys."
Members
- He or Him, the mysterious and, so far, unseen leader of the Others.
- Mr. Friendly, also known as Tom, who seems to be their spokesman according to the faux Henry Gale.
- Ethan Rom, infiltrated the Mid Section survivors, and was killed by Charlie.
- Goodwin, infiltrated the Tailies, and was killed by Ana Lucia.
- "Molotov woman"; the one who destroys the Second Raft during Walt's kidnapping.
- "Twin #1" and "Twin #2" (seen during Walt's kidnapping alongside Mr. Friendly and "Molotov woman").
- Three people (2 men, 1 woman) killed by Mr. Eko and Ana Lucia when they came to kidnap people.
- The faux Henry Gale, who is apparently high in the Other's hierarchy.
- Several unknown persons in the The Staff.
- Ms. Klugh, as seen in Three Minutes and Live Together, Die Alone. Also known as Bea.
- Pickett, along with more rank-and-file Others, including: Two men accompanying Mr. Friendly & Pickett, and two guards at the Door Hatch in The Others' camp.
- Two people tailing Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, & Michael in Live Together, Die Alone. One of these two was shot and killed by Sawyer.
Children and people taken by The Others:
- Alex. She later helps Claire escape from Ethan and the rest of the Others. As of the end of Season 2, she seems to be an unwilling participant
- Two children, one with a teddy bear, kidnapped from the Tailies. Probably Zack and Emma.(MIA)
- Walt
- Michael. Though freed, he is being manipulated by them.
- Claire who is kidnapped and taken to the Medical Hatch by Ethan prior to the birth of Aaron. Charlie is also abducted at the same time but presumably left for dead and later found by Kate and Jack.
- Cindy. Taken by "others". Eko is blamed for this by Ana Lucia because he wanted to stop and help an injured Sawyer. Her whereabouts are uknown.
Theories
- The Others have four toes by way of genetic modification. Without the pinky toe it might make them faster and walk quietly. They built the Statue to honor their four-toed foot.
- Gerald and Karen DeGroot (from the Orientation Film) may be part of The Others, or perhaps are just another group of people on or near the island.
- In "...And_Found", we see one of them carrying a teddy bear. The teddy bear seems to be from one of the two children from the tail end of the plane, who we learn about in "The Other 48 Days".
- The Others are connected to the (as yet unseen) DHARMA Initiative station studying "utopian social _____" (listed in the Orientation Film as one of the six foci of the Initiative). Reaching utopian society is attempted through the development of a virus (the sickness) that selectively kills only "bad" people. The secluded island is the test area for this DHARMA-made virus and the survivors are test subjects (mixed group of sinners and good people). When the initiative is certain the virus will only harm "bad" people, it will be released to the world - and create utopia.
- The Others are researchers left on the island after the DHARMA Initiative lost funding. They have either been forgotten or were left on purpose. They are possibly all insane and obsessed with completing their research.
- The Others are good people trying to save the good people and the kids from a danger, though they are willing to be ruthless for the "greater good".
- The Others are resurrected people of those who died on the island ala Adam and Eve, Boone, Shannon etc.
- The Others are descendants of the crew of the Black Rock perhaps mingled with survivors of the Dharma Initiative.
- The others are clones. Two of them (at least) look similar to Gerald and Karen DeGroot and there were twins on the boat, as well.
- There is evidence that there is not simply one tight group of "others". There is also a hint to this in the podcasts, that of course the division between "us" and "others" is arbitrary. We have seen the group of scientists in the Medical Station, who also walk around on the island in disguise (possibly carrying out some sort of social experiment à la "Lord of the Flies" with the survivors). And then there are the ones that appear rather insane (possibly "infected" by some illness - something that the Quarantine signs support). And there may be more people on the island. Danielle Rousseau and Desmond, for example.
- We have to keep in mind, that the survivors of the crash have not yet ventured much into the island.
- What is rather harsh is, that people get killed, which would indicate that it is either a very radical experiment or something went wrong.
- To expand on this thinking: The experiment may be so radical, that the reason for the island is so that the experiment isn't subject to any law and the scientists are not subject to arrest. Perhaps by being so isolated, they are hoping to avoid pesky medical ethics and the spirit of the 3rd Geneva Convention. (Especially the part about experimentation on POWs.)
- There is strong suggestion to that the Others are infact workers from Dharma Initiative. In The other 48 days Ana Lucia finds a list of survivors from a dead attacker. In Maternity Leave Zeke is angry at Ethan for kidnapping Claire without being finished with a list. This can likely be the same list of people who are going to be taken.
- The Others are linked to Oceanic Airlines, or at least to Flight 815.
- The Others are the social utopian experiment referred to in the Orientation film, and they take the "good people" from the groups of survivors to be part of their community. They leave all the bad people, which is why the main characters all have so many problems and there doesn't seem to be any decent people around.
- They do not leave tracks as they travel around the island underground.
- Cindy is one of the Others' link to the outside world and from whom they got the "good people" list.
- The Others could be monitoring events in or around the hatch remotely, and have contacted Michael via the terminal for the express purpose of capturing him.
- Similarly the others could have determined that Henry Gale was the best person to try to use to recruit Locke, based on their observations. This would explain why the Others are primarily interested in people who spend time in the hatch.
- Michael has joined the Others so he can be close to Walt.
- The others are "fast-grown", in that they're children who have been grown into adults much faster than naturally. This could explain the child-like distictions of "good people" and "bad people" that Henry Gale seems to have, as well as explain away Walt's growth over the past few months.
- The Others are responsible for the cloning and Eternal Life program that is taking place on the island, therefore they want to have full control over the way genes are mixed on this island. This explains why they kidnapped Claire while she was pregnant and got killed the two women who had a love affair on the island, Shannon thanks to Walt's sudden appearance and Ana-Lucia through Michael.
- There may be two groups of Others on the island:
- A "high-tech" one in charge of the DHARMA Initiative and making sure everything stays under control. They are led by Him and sometimes dress as savages to fool people.
- A "Low-tech" one made of people who have escaped from the control of the previous group and who do actually live as savages.
- They have different procedures for different situations that arise on the island, e.g. with a large group of people who are unfamiliar with each other, infiltration is an option. A commercial airliner is easier to infiltrate than a presumably one-manned sailing boat ([Desmond]]) or a small science boat (Danielle). perhaps the others infected Danielle's crew and immunized her; that is why she didn't die (perhaps they did this to get Alex with little struggle). With Desmond they sent out Kelvin (possibly an other) to persuade him to push the button (this way he stays out of their hair and does the work they were meant to be doing themselves.
- They do all this because of a sense of paranoia or just because Him tells them to.
- May be taking Jack, Kate, and Sawyer to a hatch / facility in the ocean for season 3. Then when the lostaways go after them they take the sailboat to try to get them back.
- May have a link to the outside world. Assuming that the compass heading given to Michael by Henry Gale will actually take him away from the island, the Others have a way to reach people outside of the island.
- The Others used to man the stations and rebelled once they found out that they where all part of an experiment, with each station having its own experiment. They all rebelled believing nothing would happen if they stopped doing their tasks. That's why they think they are "the good guys", fighting against DHARMA / the system. The only people that didn't rebel were the original occupants of The Swan, who believed that their station wasn't just an experiment. When they didn't leave The Swan and join with them, 'The Others' turned hostile and later abandoned them. (Kelvin called 'the others' the 'Hostiles').