Talk: The Swan

Revision as of 11:59, 19 March 2006

Played by Nick Jameson
Psychic who Claire visits several times in "Raised by Another"
Abruptly asks Claire and her friend to leave on the first visit, after a disturbing vision.
On her second visit, tells Claire that danger surrounds her baby and she must raise the child herself.
Ultimately convinces Claire to get on Flight 815 to give up her child for adoption to a couple in Los Angeles. He bought her ticket.

Theories

A promient homosexual who liked eating faeces.

Malkin is somehow involved with the Others/Dharma Initiative and put Claire in the flight so they could get to Aaron.

Knew the plane was going to crash so he put Claire in the flight so she would be able to raise the baby by herself

Malkin sent her on the flight knowing Aaron would end up being raised by the others. He says "they are good people" to her and makes sure she goes on that particular flight.

Whether he is part of Darma or really is a psychic, he tried to get Aaron in The Others' hands.

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+[[Image:Richard_Malkin.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Nick Jameson as Richard Malkin]]
-I think the food statement is misleading; we know that when Hurley did his inventory two months worth was all that remained at the time, but it is unknown how much food was normally present or how often if was replenished.
+* Played by Nick Jameson
+* Psychic who [[Claire]] visits several times in "[[Raised by Another]]"
+* Abruptly asks Claire and her friend to leave on the first visit, after a disturbing vision.
+* On her second visit, tells Claire that danger surrounds her baby and she must raise the child herself.
+* Ultimately convinces Claire to get on [[Flight 815]] to give up her child for adoption to a couple in [[Los Angeles]]. He bought her ticket.
-== Shouldn't this article be merged with [[The Hatch]] ==
-Seeing as the swan and the hatch are in fact, the same thing?
-What name it would take would be open to personal interpretation!
-You are correct. --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 11:23, 25 January 2006 (PST)
-I'll get on with it and then redirect [[The Hatch]] to [[The Swan]]. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 12:01, 19 February 2006 (PST)
+== Theories ==
-Merged and redirected. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 15:17, 19 February 2006 (PST)
+* A promient homosexual who liked eating faeces.
-In order to prevent SPOILERs, I think you shouldn't merge em, cause if anyone who doesn't know
-about The Swan (1st season watcher) needs or wants info about the Hatch, then s/he would learn
-much more than s/he was supposed to. Just my opinion. --docZ
+* Malkin is somehow involved with the Others/Dharma Initiative and put Claire in the flight so they could get to Aaron.
-People know about lospedia being a potential spoiler, so i think merging the hatch with the swan is needed--ToMA
+* Knew the plane was going to crash so he put Claire in the flight so she would be able to raise the baby by herself
-I just unmerged "Hatch" a few days ago. Reason: "Hatch" is too much of a common theme. Many people refer to the Arrow and the Medical Station as "Hatches". for Example "Medical Hatch". Or "maybe they will find another Hatch in Episode XYZ". There is a very prominent link on the "Hatch" page now that goes to The Swan, the rest of it dealing with "Hatch" in general.
+* Malkin sent her on the flight knowing Aaron would end up being raised by the others. He says "they are good people" to her and makes sure she goes on that particular flight.
-I am not sure if "The Hatch should not better be redirected towards "Hatch", but since "The Hatch" is most often used for The Swan ... I don't know for sure. My vote though would be to redirect "The Hatch" to "Hatch". Anyone disagree??? --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 12:45, 5 March 2006 (PST)
+* Whether he is part of Darma or really is a psychic, he tried to get Aaron in The Others' hands.
-In my opinion, I think we should should use the word "station" instead of "hatch" consequently. Well, I _personally_ prefer it :-) For me, the hatch was simply a small mysterious door in the ground that we encountered in the first season. Now, we got stations; a storage station, a medical station and a ...uhm... station with a computer in it. My reason is that a hatch is an opening to a space, while a station IS that space. Anyway, I think "The Hatch" should be a redirect to "The Swan", we got a big, fat spoiler warning on the front page.. --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 14:52, 5 March 2006 (PST)
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-Maybe we shouldn't compact too much. The Hatch is an entity in itself as is the dome, gun safe, food cupboard. The Swan could become a huge page if all these things become important and discussion areas. --[[user:MRNasher]]
-== About the food statement ==
-Still... Hurley specifically said (I think it was) three months worth of food for one person.  Replenished or not, who knows.  Consider this, the stint in the hatch was 540 days.  That's 18 months roughly.  We know Desmond wasn't there that long, so it could be that Kelvin/Calvin, stocked him up not long before he "died" (where's the body Desmond?), so if Hurley was right on the 3 months thing that means Desmond has been in the Hatch for at least 15 months.  So if the survivors are on the island another 70-80 days will someone come to stock up the hatch?  Also consider that Zeke basically yelled at Locke for opening the Hatch, so it might now be known not to send more supplies.  And consider that the food, especially candy bars which don't have a super-long shelf life if they've got nuts or cookies in them, was fresh. --[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 11:23, 25 January 2006 (PST)
-I have to agree with Circeus. After all, Libby made it a point that the washing machine was quite new despite everything else being old and dated.
-I think it would be silly to think that someone from outside of the island comes to replenish the food storage, but I do find it odd that none of the characters have questioned who replenished the food 15 months ago. - Danny, 12:20, 23 February 2006 (CST)
-== Why Quarantine? ==
-It seems very odd that it has a hatchway with Quarantine written on it that leads up and out (I don't think we know if there was ever a handle on the inside) but the airlocks doors, that you can just walk in an out of, appear to have no such warning.
-I have to wonder where Desmond thinks the hatch leads.. its not far away from the other door. In fact you could walk from one to the other fairly quickly, assuming the gradient between the hatch and the door wasn't unclimbable.
-Desmond readily knows the wheel on the airlock door sticks, but has trouble remembering his name. Which suggests he uses the door.
-He doesn't seem bothered about infection either.
---[[user:MRNasher]]
-That's interesting, since it seems that many people think, that Quarantine is also written on the exit of the Swan as well as The Arrow. Is it certain, that the doors do not have that word on them? I also think Desmond knew how to go outside and did that. He also crashed on the island, so to get into the Swan, he had to go there from the jungle. He was not really a regular replacement for the station. --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 11:32, 12 March 2006 (PST)
-I wouldn't be bothered about any infections if I knew I was vaccinated against them. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 02:04, 13 March 2006 (PST)
-Thinking about it... Desmond could also be slightly crazed and sleep deprived from his punishing ordeal.
-And Yes.. if he did go outside (well he had to enter the place and Kelvin had to come to the beach to 'rescue' him originally) they my have been injecting since then to maintain the Quarantine.
-I suppose we are assuming the people inside are Quarantined from whats outside because of the (lack of a) handle, but could it be the other way round.. or even that Quarantine refers to something else entirely.
-So far 'The Sickness' has not been seen, and we have Rousseau's word that it exists and Desmond also asks Locke about how many have gotten sick/dead so he thinks theres an illness involved here.
-Could it be that when Desmond says "So the worlds still out there", referring to the outside world, he thinks something world ending has  happened. It could just be an ironic statement about his confined existance.
---[[user:MRNasher]]
-== Other? ==
-Desmond laughs as Locke says that 4 left on a raft that morning. That night the Others send out a boat to look for the raft.
-Desmond would have some idea about the waters and their location as a sailor. Which would explain his rye laugh as well.
-The more i think about Desmond the more i think hes no innocent. He's a stimulus for the numbers task and its possible he was living the life down in the hatch shortly after Locke is 'lead' to the hatch by Ethan.
-After all we know the stock and appliances in the hatch are not sufficient  and in keeping with his tale.
-Jack more or less states these points to him, he avoids the food question and reinforces the importance of the task to the newcomers.
-Desmond's arrival at the hatch might even have been heralded by the turning on of the light that Locke sees through the hatch window. Or it could be he did it to keep Locke's interest in opening it. This is something that Locke fails to mention to anyone.. even when they decide to open it and venture in.
---[[user:MRNasher]]
-I don't think the raft incident is related to Desmond at all, The Others have anough spies around to know exactly what's going on at the beach at any given time anyway, and beyond that, I don't think Desmond had any way of contacting anyone either due to technical constraits and him not being alone at any time.
-However, I do think he's not exactly telling everything either. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 13:37, 13 March 2006 (PST)
-== The Night Boone Died ==
-The night Boone died Locke was crouched at the hatch begging for answers when the lights flashed on giving him reassurance.  Why?  What caused Desmond to turn them on?--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 09:37, 13 March 2006 (PST)
-I think the real question is the whole purpose of the light. I don't think it's part of the mirror system and just by the sheer luminance it produces one would know that it's not really meant for reading. It's got enough juice to project a sizeable cone from somewhere within Swan and through the tunnels, up a 15 meters shaft and through a tiny dimmed window, it would also require a sizable power source. It hasn't been turned on, that we know of, since Desmond left the hatch. It's possible that it's part of whatever's causing the EM field, and that Desmond had access to it but closed the blastdoors when the perimeter was breached. The light could also be a side effect for whatever the EM machinery does on a schedule, and the reason the hatch was buried in the first place was to prevent the light being seen from the hatch window. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 13:33, 13 March 2006 (PST)
-Would it be fair to say that Desmond was likely right down by the shaft just before the light came on. Kate was silenced and a massive flood of light would have obscured Locke's vision of what was happening down below.
-You have to agree that the sad looking torch by the hatch well is unlikely to be the source of such a massive flood light but it could have light up the window when Locke was lying on the hatch.
---[[User:MRNasher]]
-very interesting points there. -- [[User:Kaini]]
-I don't think a flashlight would do for the proportions of light when Locke was doing the lying & crying, the light cone was easily few meters high through the dimmed window,  and there was still the 15 meter shaft with no way to get up beneath.
-Also there's really no any viable reason for Desmond to play with lights before (well unless he was bored) When the hatch got blown up, he was surprised, he wasn't expecting anyone. If he knew someone was coming, he probably would have been more prepared too. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 02:09, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-Maybe the system of mirrors could be used to amplify and project any light down the tunnel.--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 09:54, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-==Buckminster Fuller==
-the computer area inside the hatch is housed within a geodesic dome. probably not worth an entry to itself, but the guy who discovered the geodesic sphere, buckminster fuller, was very much a futurist dedicated to advancement of the human race, much like the members of dharma seem to be in the orientation film. i can't help but think that this is intentional. -- [[User:Kaini]]
-... especially since it seems to make no real sense to put a dome like that underground when everything else is just concrete tunnels... --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 02:07, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-Glass domes usually have something worth seeing outside of them, but just because we can't see it, it doesn't mean it's not there. The dome itself looks filthy, or maybe painted over, or maybe whatever closed the blastdoors also closed up the glass dome.
-From a supposed [http://www.blackrock.nl/images/stories/authors/hatch1.jpg blueprint] for Swan, the only place we don't know of leads to somewhere behind the dome. --[[User:Skks|skks]] 02:24, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-This is a very intriguing fact! Should we have a paragraph about it? --[[User:Jambalaya|Jambalaya]] 03:30, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-To the right of the doorway of the hemisphere 4 consecutive triangles are missing from the wall. There appears to be a space several feet wide from the surface of the room to an outer (rock?) wall. There are several (4?) florescent tubes running vertically from the floor alongside what appears to be a strengthening girder that arcs up from ground level and around the hemisphere possibly to strengthen and brace the hemisphere against the outer wall. There is a similar hole on the opposite wall to the left of the doorway and has (2) panels missing revealing rock and yellow light.
-The seems to be another set of yellow strip lights 4 panels over as they illuminate the outside of the dome to a height of 3 triangles and a couple wide, similar to the ones we can see in the hole. Since this is the case i would suggest that the hole is there to show the viewer the dome is underground. The left side of the dome is back lit by deep blue light.
-This kind of hemisphere shape is extremely robust and strong. It is favoured as the shape for possible future Martian habitats due to the simplicity of its construction and its strength.
-Is it possible that the centre is meant to survive some sort of blast or impact, as indicate by the blast doors that would seal operators inside the dome area.
-One other triangle (front and centre, 3 triangles up, behind the computer bank) is blacked out, and is the vent that kate looks through, while all other remaining ones seem to be muck spattered and streaked to not clearly show what they obscure.
-The vent triangle is even shown in Dr Candle's model during the film. This seems sort of odd as it would possibly add a flaw to the structure of the dome. By Kate being able to crawl to it from another room we can assume that the blast door would prevent some disaster effecting the computer rooms least protected side (no surrounding rock) but toxic fumes were not an issue.
---[[user:MRNasher]]
-I disagree on the blast-theory. For once - these structures are really stable, but to withstand blasts they would have been made of a stronger material - one that probably is not transparent. The big advantage of these structures is that they carry themselves and can withstand pressure - blasts are usually concentrated at one section, making the resistance towards such a blast highly dependant on the material that is used for the panels. The broken panels show, that the material can't be very strong, since someone obviously broke it. Underground, there are better structures than a dome built inside a cave when it comes to withstanding anything. I tend towards the theory, that the dome is there to give a limited illusion of daylight. --[[User:Aurora-glacialis|aurora glacialis]] 06:49, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-It should be mentioned that Robert Anton Wilson was a friend and fan of Buckminster Fuller.--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 10:08, 14 March 2006 (PST)
-Maybe the structure doesnt need to be massively strong, the rock around it would be good for that, we know it has what looks like a blast door according to Michael. It could be that the dome is just an effective way to keep dust and muck off the computer equipment. Since the windows appear smeared that would be a good thing.
---[[user:MRNasher]]
-How about if the dome was made as a non megnetic area! With a local magentic force, that might increase massively when the countdown finishes, you'd want to protect any computer equipment from that force that would interfere or destroy the computer bank. --user:MRNasher