The Angry Heel anagram might simply refer to Heel of Achilles who was sent to Troy in a Trojan Horse to kill from within. We can see that he has started such tactics with Locke --rdavid01 10:34, March 6th 2006 (PST)
- One of The Others or not... Sayid has a new enemy.
- Has something to do with the Black Rock, the mining ship?
- Moved anagrams to main page --Jabrwocky7 17:27, 21 February 2006 (PST)
Too much?
Jabrwocky7; The anagram section doesn´t make sense and is not immediatey obvious as in the Ethan Rom example, that is an official anagram. You are giving too much significance to something that might not. See another man lying could be relevant had you formed it with the letters in the name only. †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --18:08, 21 February 2006 (PST)
†††GodEmperorOfHell†††: I agree with you that this may have no significance yet since we do not know for sure that Henry Gale is one of the others. I am certainly aware of the Ethan Rom/Oceanic puzzle, which shows a precedent for the writers using anagrams for the pseudonyms of the others. Also, to give credit where it's due, I did not come up with the anagrams, just moved them from previous discussions on this page. I'll add some text explaining this connection to the section. We'll probably have to redesign this entire page once we confirm Henry's identity anyway. --Jabrwocky7 19:50, 21 February 2006 (PST)
I think that the Oz-reference makes it VERY unlikey that the anagrams section holds any siginificance. --aurora glacialis 05:30, 3 March 2006 (PST)
The 'facts' on the article are a bit off, as we actually don't know anything about HG for sure, only what he has said and one of the factors when he was introduced on the show was 'untrustworthy', also he seems to be always looking for an angle when talking to people. --skks 13:51, 7 March 2006 (PST)
Wizard of Oz
[[1]] pointed out that Henry Gale is Dorothy's uncle in the Wizard of Oz. Furthermore, he claims to have landed on the island via baloon… the same method the Wizard/Professor Marvel used to get to Oz... Maybe you could put something around that...
I think it's an interessing clue. Reading this I agree that HG is an Other. -- adumont 21:38 GMT+1 22 Feb 2006
What's more interesting is that the Wizard and Dorothy left Oz in the balloon as well as getting the Wiz into Oz. Maybe the ballon will become another raft. - DF
Only the Wizard left. He took off without her because she left the balloon to grab Toto.--Tricksterson 10:31, 17 March 2006 (PST)
See below *Henry Gale-We're not in Oz anymore*
Locke angry or just putting on a show?
Pointed out that Locke had just learned that Gale can hear what goes on outside the armory door where he is being held. After Gale's obvious attempt to start a feud between Locke and Jack (that Locke should have seen coming a mile away), you think it's possible John throws the dishes and stuff off the counter intentionally to make Gale think he has been succesful? It just seems odd that Locke would fall for this so easily.
--Danny 00:51, 3 March 2006 (PST)
I think Locke's rage was real and that he was manipulated just as Sayid was. Maybe he realized afterwards that he was being used and that put more gas on the fire... --Jambalaya 01:33, 3 March 2006 (PST)
Locke looked really angry. There would not be the need to play theatre when Henry could only hear but not watch. --aurora glacialis 05:30, 3 March 2006 (PST)
He couldn't watch but now he knows he can hear.--209.43.65.170 06:15, 3 March 2006 (PST)
He only can hear, but not watch, so Locke would not have to look angry. But he did, so I don't think it was an act. --aurora glacialis 06:30, 3 March 2006 (PST)
Locke's points lowered about a hundred in my books after he let himself to be manipulated so easily. His rage did seem genuine. The problem with characters acting on a tv show is that one can't really tell whether it's the actor who's acting or the character. If it was an act on Locke's part, I think they would have made it a bit more obvious.--skks 12:47, 7 March 2006 (PST)
I now agree that it was not an act, after thinking it over some more. But I think him being manipulated goes with his character. Some have said the writers messed up by letting him get manipulated by Gale so easily, but think about Locke's history with his father (the kidney) and Sawyer (controlling the guns). Gale was able to take advantage of Locke's weakness just as the two of them did. --Danny 21:45, 7 March 2006 (PST)
Don't forget that Locke had a history of anger management issues. He's had them under control for the most part on the Island, but now he may be 'slipping' -- 7:50, 14 March 2006 (PST)
Also, lest we forget, they're in a bunker flooded with electromagenetivity on a weird-ass island apparently owned by a twisted human research group that may or may not have been responsible for their plane crash... I'd say some erratic behavior is to be expected. ^_^
Did HG own the french woman's ship?
HG said he sold his mining company. The french woman's ship had all sorts of mining equipment on it. Could this be the same mining company Gale owned?
No that was the Black Rock that had mining equipment. Whatever else Henry Gale is, I'm fairly sure he wasn't around in the 19th Century.--Tricksterson 08:19, 7 March 2006 (PST)
I'm not so sure you can just dismiss this question, Tricksterson. He is talking about the Black Rock -- which is the ship Rousseau and her crew arrived on the island with. It is possible that Gale is somehow related to that ship. Seeing as how many of the survivors have related back-stories, this could be possible. Perhaps Gale owned this ship, then sold it with his company, and the new owners continued to use it until it crashed on the island. --Danny 21:50, 7 March 2006 (PST)
Er... Rousseau didn't arrive on a 18th century slave ship. I'm fairly certain of this. --skks 02:11, 8 March 2006 (PST)
An interesting piece of information
(Warning: spoiler) ABC.com
Now there's a certain guy who used that certain word... --Jambalaya 17:34, 3 March 2006 (PST)
Well since it is on the official ABC LOST Website, I don't consider it a spoiler - more a teaser...
a teaser that shows us, that Henry Gale might really not be what any of us thought him to be...
...or just something meant to confuse and throw off the theories. If you check the general tone of the writing, it doesn't sound like any of the survivors, more like a certain other, nor does it say what HG is or isn't. Like all of the 'Diary' entries, very vague and doesn't really put any facts on the table.
On a sidenote, I don't see the point with any spoiler warnings as the wiki follows the US showtimes & everything anyone official or unofficial has said or written about the show has always been very vague and generalised. I don't think there ever has been a spoiler about LOST, just a lot of theories and teasers. Spoilers are definitive, and leave no questions.--skks 12:41, 7 March 2006 (PST)
You're both right :-) I added a bullet about it, but I didn't speculate whether it's Desmond or not... --Jambalaya 13:21, 7 March 2006 (PST)
I was actually going for Mr. Friendly judging from the phrase "This is not their island". --skks 13:55, 7 March 2006 (PST)
I have a feeling the diary is not considered canon. The first author, and most of the previous entries by the current author, have only commented on events and ideas already established in the episodes, suggesting the diary's purpose as merely reflective. In any event, there doesn't seem to be a consistency of authorship. My guess is, the writers at the website were recently given some knowledge of the upcoming Henry Gale story arc which they've chosen to inject into their otherwise-useless diary narrator. So while the "brother" reference may bear some fruit, I don't think we'll see the author in the show.
Diary Update
The newest diary: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105434.html changes things a bit. This clearly states that whoever the 'brother' is actually confronts Locke and Jack. Ana-Lucia, perhaps? ~Weez
Sound travels.
"Can hear through the door of the gun vault"
Dont forget the air duct in the roof of the room. Kate drops down through it while escaping from the food store. The ducts link to all the other rooms so sound can carry in.
Sawyer and Kate can hear Locke and Jack when they are locked in the room when Michael locks them in before running off after Walt and Gale can hear Locke have his hissy fit from inside.
The duct possibly leads into the sealed off section of the base, but that would be too useful. Locke screwed down the duct from the inside to stop Gale escaping and might well know more about the system. --user:MRNasher
Relation to Thomas?
I added a theory about the possible relation to Thomas and supporting evidence / related theories. Anyone agree/disagree? --Joezoo 09:41, 12 March 2006 (PST)
Another Theory
One thing I've learned from watching the show is to never take anything at face value. There will be plot twists. Therefore, since HG is suspected of being an 'other' right off the bat, I find it hard to believe that he will end actually being one of them.
His cover story is rather weak, so I suspect that it will turn out to be untrue as well.
Maybe he's part of another undiscovered group of survivors (perhaps not from 815, but another incident). He invented the cover story to protect the rest of his group. To him, the 815 survivors look pretty savage, shooting him with crossbows, torturing, beating him, etc. He's not probably not going to trust them to tell the truth. If his group is aware of the 'others', he might well think the 815 survivors are them.
Locke made a statement in one of them that seemed out of place to me. "To Danielle, we're all 'others', it's all relative". In retrospect, this might have been a clue. If Gale is part of a group, they might not call 'The Others', 'others'. They might call them "jungle savages" or something. In Gales mind, when the 815 survivors talk about the Others, he might think their referring to his group of survivors, if he thinks they are the 'jungle savages'. It's all relative!
Of course that's just a theory.
How about there being the remains of the Dharma scientists and also the the test subjects still on the island. --MRNasher
Just for fun...
'Cause I wasn't expecting anything serious, I put for fun the words "Henry and Thomas" on the anagram service, and I got:
HEADSMAN THORNY
DEATHSMAN HORNY
HANDYMAN OTHERS
HANDYMAN THROES
SHAMAN THRENODY
ASHMAN THRENODY
THRASHED ANONYM
HANDSET HARMONY
I don't even know, if several of these have some meaning, but... ;-) --Raven66 03:56, 15 March 2006 (PST)
Spoiler?
Most of the content in these articles is facts revealed in the show, and speculation. However, I was a bit bothered by the section in the HG article about the balloon photo. Should it be marked as a spoiler?
--208.204.155.241 13:16, 16 March 2006 (PST)
The whole site is a spoiler. Please refer to the front page. :)
--Admin 09:39, 31 March 2006 (PST)
Confession
Mr Eko's talk to Gale is a confession. Pure and simple.
Yemi offered to take Eko's confession several times and i think that has become something important to Eko, esp in his new priestly life.
He uses Gale to fullfill that need. Someone to tell, someone he can say these things too, who will listen but not necessarily be phased by what he has to say or spread panic by telling. --MRNasher
Trap?
I think that the very reason for Gale mentioning the possibilitythat he has lead Ana into a trap, and that it could be used to trade for him, is exactly the reason why they will find evidence that he has not been lying.
If he needs to infiltrate the survivors what better way than to set himself up as a victim. Sure they have given him an amazingly rough time and both Jack and Locke realise how manipulative he is but if he can pull this off he might get some sympathy on his side. -- MRNasher
Even if they do find the balloon it does not prove that he is not one of 'them'. Remember, the "others" have apparently added to their ranks by kidnapping crash victims. Maybe he did land by balloon and was kidnapped by the others.
Or he might have just known about the balloon, which someone else crashed in.
My gut feeling is that he's not an other, but that's probably because I've been trained by the show to assume the opposite of where the show is leading us. The first two Gale episodes seemed to suggest that he was one of them, so I assumed therefore he wasn't. --208.204.155.241 09:37, 23 March 2006 (PST)
He's using textbook manipulation. He's using everyone's paranoia against them, suggesting them that the others would want to trap few of the survivors to exchange for him, and when it doesn't happen - he's automatically cleared of the suspicion. In theory atleast, I've lost my respect for Jack & Locke, so they just might fall for it. The Others wouldn't want to exchange him for anyone, he was planted there to get intel, and the only way he can do that is by convincing everyone he's to be trusted. He's piling up the doubts on doubts and backing them up with possibilities, eventually the web of lies will become too much for anyone to sort out and everything seemingly falls into place. It's clearly a plan, waiting few days to give out the map, claiming to be afraid that whoever's looking won't find the planted balloon. If he's who he says he is, within a few months he's crashed onto the island, lost his wife to a mystery illness, caught in a trap, shot with a crossbow and have being locked up in a room and beaten. Still, he's not afraid, he maintains his composure and finds time to push people's buttons. It all just feels too calculated to me. --skks 10:17, 23 March 2006 (PST)
Jack and Locke should be painfully aware that if they others wanted a hostage to exchange for Gale, they'd come and grab someone, no need to send people on a wild balloon chase, of course I agree that they just might fall for it with the way they've been behaving lately. I think Gale is manipulating the viewer more so than the people on the island. The speech about Ana Lucia & Co falling into a trap seemed designed only to make the viewer go Oh Sh*$! Jack and Locke barely reacted to it. --208.204.155.241 10:48, 23 March 2006 (PST)
They did react to it, especially Jack. Ofcourse this is newer info than the previous comment as the scene continued in Lockdown. --skks 04:36, 30 March 2006 (PST)
He still might not be an 'other'
I notice the page now claims that he is an other. That has not been proven, so that means we can and should anticipate even more plot twists. 'Henry', may have used a stolen identity, but that does not necesarily prove he's one of 'them'. After all, Sawyer is using a stolen identity too.
Admittedly, things look pretty bad right now for 'Henry'. But he might be involved in some crime or something and have reason to need an alias.
Why would he need an alias if he were an other? How would the castaways know any different? Why not just use his real name? Ethan apparently used his real name, or at least that's the name that Zeke called him in the medical hatch.
Of course if his name were Hanso or DeGroot, he might have something to hide, but Hanso should be really old or dead by now, and Degroot should be much older than 'Henry' appears to be (of course that's discounting theories that they are experimenting with life extension techniques)
Yeah, I deleted the 'other' assumption. Seems there's a lot of jumping to conclusions here in LostPedia. The only thing we do know is that he lied about his identity, that makes him a liar, nothing else. I'm not too comfortable with the life extention theory either, unless they've also found a way to make people younger in addition to extending their lifespan. Also, like said somewhere else, it's a HUGE risk sending anyone in charge for a recon mission, so he's probably not Gerald DeGroot or Alvar Hanso, he might be a jr. though. --skks 04:35, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Something occurs to me. Whatever else he is, "Gale" isn't stupid. Wouldn't it have occurred to him that when they found the grave, they might dig it up? Well, maybe not, most people would just assume that it was his wife's grave. Just a thought.--Tricksterson 09:17, 31 March 2006 (PST)
One thought I had was that maybe the Others tampered with the grave, produced a fake ID and placed it there. Far fetched, sure... But that only makes it more probable with this show... Also another possiblity is that HG's story could be mostly true, except that he's homosexual and, and didn't want to admit it, and the real Henry Gale was his partner... Still, why take on your SO's ID if that were the case? --Uth 12:22, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Here's another thought. Who buried Hanry Gale? Even on this island it's unlikely he did it himself.--Tricksterson 09:17, 31 March 2006 (PST)
Kelvin?
There's also a theory going around that he might be Desmond's missing partner, Kelvin. After all, he seemed to memorize the numbers really fast when Locke gave them to him. --Jmast7 22:00, 29 March 2006 (PST)
I had the same thought, and that might be a reason for him to conceal his true identity, since he escaped life manning the hatch, and doesn't want to do that job again. --Uth 12:14, 30 March 2006 (PST)
We are assuming that the licence is real and that our (alive) Gale is lying.. but i dont think we can take this as fact.. just yet.. at least one more week is necessary i think.
But for me personally he gets the Kelvin thumbs up from me. It would be handy for him to get access to the computer room alone and he is decidedly vague about what he was doing and didn't talk to Locke once after he got into the vent shaft.. not even when he was on the otherside of an ajar door.
I wonder if he knows about the blast door writing --MRNasher
Another thing that might back that up was that he apparently got very concerned about the static and noise from the loudspeakers-- more concern than he's shown about most events since he's been incarcerated. He possibly knew the lockdown was coming. If he is Kelvin (Calvin?) he probably experienced them before, and knew the precursor signs --Uth 13:53, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Driver's license discrepancies
Yes, it's a fake, it's from a tv show. The discrepancies could be because of legal issues. There's no 555 area code either, but every phone number in a tv-show still has that. --skks 04:53, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Did Henry recognize the numbers?
After Locke told Henry the numbers once very slowly, Henry rattled them back to him like he had said them a hundred times. Do you think that he's familiar with them? --BigSteve777 08:50, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Well they seem to be written all over the hatch, and maybe even the island, so that might explain it. --Uth 12:12, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Considering the accuracy and precision that he spit out the stats of the balloon, maybe he has a photographic memory?--Tricksterson 09:36, 31 March 2006 (PST)
I think he knew the numbers. Maybe even knew them from before the island. Perhaps the numbers led him to the island? --Admin 09:42, 31 March 2006 (PST)
Did 'HG' push the button?
Although he claims he did, we don't hear him. We hear the engines powering up indicating that time ran out. HG's states that he:
- pushed the button
- counter reset to 108.00
- tried to climb back in the vent
- lights went out
- blast doors open
Yet the chronology shown on screen is:
- timer ran out, engine powered up
- lights went out
- counter reset
- blast doors open
--Uth 12:46, 30 March 2006 (PST)
Rose's brother????
- What possible evidence is there for this conclusion? †††GodEmperorOfHell††† --18:14, 30 March 2006 (PST)
- The real Henry Gale is African American. In the online diary, one of the survivors wrote that he/she heard they had his/her brother locked up in the hatch. There aren't many possible people to choose from. Michael's gone, Eko isn't likely to have a brother in Minn. That leaves Rose. Of course the diary may not be canon.
- We know the diarist isn't a Tailie (which discounts Libby) and it seems doubtful he/she is someone we actually know on the show. But since he/she has been living on the beach with the other survivors and they know definitively from Hurley's census who they all are, it also seems doubtful that it's someone else from the island. Now I'm sure there are other African-Americans in the remaining 30 survivors we haven't met and given the number of coincidences on the show, it seems reasonable to speculate that one of them is a sibling of the real Henry Gale. --Jmast7 12:00, April 1st 2006 (PST)
Henry Gale-We're not in Oz anymore
Although the whole OZ/balloon thing is a great theory, I have a different spin on it. I am not sure why no one has thought about Henry Gale the physicist/astrophysicist (1874-1942) . I researched information at the University of Chicago about Gale and his wife Agnes. Here is some information on Gale :
While his career as an astrophysicist was centered at the University of Chicago, Gale also conducted research at Mount Wilson Solar Observatory in Pasadena, California. While working in Pasadena in 1909, Gale was involved in an electrical accident which left him badly burned; he was hospitalized for two months to undergo skin graft operations. In addition to his career as a physicist, Gale served in the Army during World War I. He attained the rank of lieutenant colonel after serving in the United States and France, was cited for "especially meritorious and conspicuous service" by General Pershing, and received France's decoration of the Legion of Honor.
I will get back to Agnes later.
The poor chap that the imposter Henry Gale burried was most likely a scientist sent to the island by balloon at night to monitor one or more experiments being conducted on the island and perhaps also initiate some sort of protocol like the lockdown procedure. This scientist was more than likely in the electromagnetism end of things. The Dharma Initiative most likely sent scientists via balloons considering most scientists might not be versed in the art of parachutes or might be afraid to use them. In regards to the "Others" they knew to look out for the flame of the balloon/knew the direction of the balloon/or knew areas where the balloons would land. After killing the scientist, the imposter's mission was to get captured.
When I looked into the background of Agnes Gale I found this:
Agnes Gale published a number of poems and narratives for children, including an adaptation of Homer, Achilles and Hector: Iliad Stories Retold for Boys and Girls.
When you bring in the idea of the anagram of ANGRY HEEL
ANGRY HEEL = ACHILLES HEEL
Either the imposter or the real Henry Gale is an "Achilles Heel"
Here is a link for information on Henry Gale:
[2]
Oh and for you number freaks out there..Did you notice he died in 1942?
Byzantine 00:28, 31 March 2006 (PST)
Split article?
Based on what happened in Lockdown, should we split this article into "Henry Gale (real)" and "Henry Gale (fake)" or something? And just rename "Henry Gale (fake)" when we learn his name? --Jambalaya 08:51, 31 March 2006 (PST)
At this point, I don't think it's necessary as the Real McGale's article would be really stubby, if/when we find out more about him, then maybe. Renaming the article is an idea though, I guess the hard part would be to think up a name. Maybe next week when we hopefully know more about the guy. --skks 11:50, 31 March 2006 (PST)