Now wouldn't that be an interesting plot twist for this character. Although Libby is dead, shes getting the most plot twists on the Island. So if Imaginary Dave is atually her husband... Does that mean that after he died, Hurley began seeing him? The trauma of her husband's death may be part of what sent her to the Mental Home. Also, whats with all the hairdos? Haha. I cant wait for people to begin hypothisizing that every Cynthia Watros with another hairdo is another clone of Libby and there is actually 20 of her walking around! :)--[[User:L0ST|L0ST]] 21:20, 24 May 2006 (PDT)
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'''Alvar Hanso''' is the CEO & Founder of the [[Hanso Foundation]], and according to the [[Swan Orientation Film]] is Danish. He addressed the UN Security Council in 1967. [[Persephone]] from the [[thehansofoundation.org|Hanso Foundation]] website ''(part of [[The Lost Experience]])'' has mentioned that Alvar Hanso's last public appearance was in 2002, and he has not been seen since. Apparently, he bought every single copy of [[Gary Troup]]'s book ''[[The Valenzetti Equation]]'' and bought all rights to a reprint.
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== Libby's babbling ==
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The film clip featuring Alvar Hanso is taken from a city in [[Norway]] called Narvik. (According to sources the creators of the series has said that this is purely accidental and has nothing to do with Lost). Alvar Hanso is also referred to in the notification of cease of investigation of [[Flight 815]] that is on one of the unofficial fan sites [http://www.oceanicworldair.com/wilson9mz2.gif] of which authenticity can't be verified.
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*Isn't it possible that Libby could be either A.) A clinical Psychologist observing the patients, particularly Hurley (perhaps as a recruiter)? or B.) A television star researching a part that involves being a mental patient? Retrieved from "http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Talk:Libby"
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== Bio ==
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:*That's not the implication...When she does it, she's doing it with the intent of distracting herself or others away from the focus issue at hand. Like when she sets the guys leg, she's babbling intensely to distract him and Ana Lucia, and then she just sets the leg without warning. That's a clever use of human behavior, likely derived from the fact that she's a clever psychologist.
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"Driven by a need for privacy and a deep-seated sense of humility, Alvar Hanso has released few details of his personal life to the public.
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He first made his mark during the Second World War, providing munitions to various resistance movements around Europe. After the War, Hanso became the leading purveyor of high-technology armaments to NATO.
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::*Then can I suggest the following wording instead then? ''"and may be using it as a diversion as part of a psychological technique"''
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After decades of keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems, Hanso turned his attention to critical areas of science and technology - always searching for new ways to improve the human experience, and create a brighter future for all humanity.
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:::*Cool, that works i just didn't want it to be dismissed, as I suspect its an important trait that will come into play often.
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Still running his vast network of companies, Hanso has set new standards for philanthropy and the support of pure scientific research for the betterment of the entire race. "
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Suffers from errectial disfunction, as noted in "...And Found."
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== "Compulsive Liar" ==
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''Side note: According to [[Gary Troup]]'s interview with [[Laird Granger]] for [[Bad Twin]], Alvar and the [[Hanso Foundation]] were both mentioned in a previous non-fiction book written by Gary called [[The Valenzetti Equation]]. Presumably, whatever Gary wrote about Alvar and the Foundation was not looked upon favorably by the Foundation because no one can find a copy of the book. The Foundation has also started a newspaper ad campaign against claims made by Gary in Bad Twin.''
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How so?
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It was on E! online Gossip with Kristen
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==''Bad Twin'' book info==
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== Libby or some Other ==
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In Chapter 23, in a apparent new change in the board at [[Widmore]], Alvar Hanso was replaced by [[Thomas Mittelwerk]].
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==The wit and wisdom of Alvar Hanso==
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If she lied to Hurley 'bout stepping on his foot, then was she on the plane? If she wasn't on the plane could she be an other, like Ethan?
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The following quotes have been attributed to Alvar Hanso.
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* "I am very proud to be working with such a brilliant team, who all inspire me every single day as we forge our way towards a brighter future. The expertise and dedication of the team constantly surpass my expectations." (thehansofoundation.org television ad page)
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* "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more—to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible." — Alvar Hanso, Address to the United Nations Security Council, 1967, posted on first iteration of thehansofoundation.org Website and partially quoted by [[Mr. Friendly]].
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If she was an Other why would she have helped Claire regain her memories?
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* "To preach the limited mind is to foreclose on the promise of our future." (thehansofoundation.org landing page)
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I think there's enough evidence to suggest she was on the plane. She was scrambling on the beach with everyone else and was wet, like everyone else, unlike a certain 'dry' other who tried to infiltrate the Tailies. It is still possible she's a mainland other. See the following pics. --[[User:Carl|Carl]]
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* "A society should not merely be measured by its brightest lights, but on how the brightest light the way for those who cannot shine for themselves." (MHA section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
** May be relevant to Hurley's particular affliction or simply the way in which the castaways are all emotionally and spiritually lost souls
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** May be relevant to the chasm between "the best and the brightest" (exemplary men like Jack) and those who struggle in life (just about everyone else)
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* "Prevention is the number one reason people live longer lives today. The time has come for everyone in our world to understand how a minimum investment of time and effort can lead to a vastly longer and happier life." (WWPDP section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
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** Note: This seems to be a nod to the "vaccine" proferred by Ethan Rom to protect Claire's baby.
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* "The future need not be an undiscovered country. Through science and technology we can turn our inexorable forward motion into a safe journey into a well-charted haven of tranquility." (MFI section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
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** The phrase "undiscovered country" comes from a soliloquy in Shakespeare's ''Hamlet'' and refers to the unknown that comes after death:
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<pre>But that the dread of something after death,
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The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
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No traveler returns, puzzles the will
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* "To understand how our world is going, we must first seek to understand how the world was made." (ERI section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
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I think it probably is her in the pictures, if you compare her dress to what she is wearing when she fixes the guys leg.
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* "Given enough time, there is no end to what human beings can accomplish, no frontiers we cannot cross, and no experiences that we cannot live to pass on to future generations (LEP section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
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'''I don't believe she was on the plane''' myself. Admittedly my memory of faces is poor, but I don't remember her in any flashbacks on the plane. And when she tells Hurley he stepped on her foot, he doesn't seem to recall it, so I suspect it was a lie to try and prevent him connecting her with the hospital. However, she does seem to have landed in the water with the other tailenders. Either way, I don't trust her, and she's one to watch.
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== Theories ==
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*Hanso is ''[[He|Him]]'', the leader of [[The Others]], mentioned by Mr. Friendly and the faux [[Henry Gale]]. Extending the [[Oz]] metaphor sometimes connected with the series, this would make Alvar Hanso "the man behind the curtain" aka the Wizard.
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*[[Image:Zeke-hanso.jpg|thumb|right|Clue from thf.org]]Hanso is [[Zeke]]. Compare the grainy photo of Alvar and the one with no beard of Zeke, don't you see some resemblance ? This should match with the sentence "it doesn't match anyone else?" found on thehansofoundation.org while clicking the date below the photo (see screen capture)
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*Hanso is on the island.
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*Hanso is one of the survivors of the flight, or has somehow managed to infiltrate himself with them.
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*Hanso is dead, and buried near the [[Black Rock]], according to notation on the [[blast door]] which reads: "Known resting place of [[Magnus Hanso]] / [[Black Rock]]". This assumes "Magnus" is used here as a title of honor.
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*Alvar Hanso is not Magnus Hanso, but related to him.
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*The name "Hanso" is likely spelled "Hansø" in Danish. The literal translation of "hans ø" from Danish is "his island".
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*Anagram of Alvar Hanso makes "Solar Haven" and "An Oval Rash" (perhaps [[The Sickness]])
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*Possibly named after Hans Ørsted, a Danish physicist and chemist whose discoveries inspired the development of electromagnetic theory and the ØRSTED satellite.
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* On the [http://www.thehansofoundation.org Hanso Foundation Website] under the biography of Alvar Hanso, the date under the photo is October 28th, 2003. However, it is the same photo from the [[Swan Orientation Film]], which was supposedly made long before 2003. Is there an explanation for this? -> They just don't want to reveal who Hanso really is?
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** It seems strange that the same picture would be used as a way to keep his indentity concealed. It's possible that as an organization sponsored by Hanso, it may have very limited dealings with him, thus the picture used is actually the only picture they've been able to capture.
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* October 28th, 2003 was the date of an extremely massive solar flare (third largest on record) that was expected to cause "a major geomagnetic storm", as it was aimed directly at the Earth. [http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/10/28/solar.flare/index.html]
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:*October 28th, 2001 is the date listed under an image of what appears to be an aurora borealis in the [[Electromagnetic Research Initiative]] section of the [[thehansofoundation.org]] site.
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:*October 28th, 1984 is written on the blast door as the suspected system shutdown date.
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* The picture of Alvar Hanso bears a strong resemblance to [[Kelvin]] "Joe" Inman (played by [[Clancy Brown]]).
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* Hanso is dead, presumebly murdered, and [[the Hanso Foundation|the Foundation]] is now under control of people with different motives, using the fame of Alvar Hanso. (hinted by [[Persephone]]'s concerns regarding Hanso)
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* Locke's supposed father [[Anthony Cooper]] is Alvar Hanso. Check his resemblance with the image from the "grainy picture".
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* "hansa" is Vedic Sanskrit for "swan." The repeated word "namaste" on the Hanso website is originally from Sanskrit.
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*Hanso is Locke
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*Hanso is "Henry Gale". The smile from the B&W picture has the same creepy quality. Maybe he looks so young because of the result of "life extension" testing, or it could be Henry Gale is a clone of Alvar Hanso groomed to take over when the original died.
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*[[Image:CharlesWidmoreProfile.JPG.jpg|thumb|right]] Hanso looks a lot like Charles Widmore!
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== External links ==
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--[[User:Rayne|Rayne]] 20:34, 29 April 2006 (PDT)
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*[http://www.thehansofoundation.org The Hanso Foundation]
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*[http://www.alvarhanso.org AlvarHanso.org]
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[[Category: Characters|Hanso, Alvar]]
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[[Category: Unsolved]]
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== Libby is mental? ==
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[[Category: Hanso Foundation Staff|Hanso, Alvar]]
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You are now able to click the date October 28, 2003. It suggestes that Alvar Hanso has gone missing because nobody has seen him since December 31, 2002. It suggests that he is missing somewhere (the island?). Persephone wonders who is running The Hanso Foundation and there seems to be some sort of Morse Code after her message. I also see drawings of some sort on pictures all over the site, I have no idea what it means but it might be important.
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It's very possible or even likely that Libby knows about Hurley's wealth, which might be the reason she's making a move on him.(yes, i'm a hopeless romantic) --[[User:Skks|skks]] 10:13, 22 March 2006 (PST)
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Should we dismiss her claim to be a psychologist? She knew how to set the broken bone so she's had at least some first aid training. And just because she went nuts doesn't mean she wasn't a psychologist first. Or maybe she became a psychologist after getting out of Santa Rosa.--[[User:Tricksterson|Tricksterson]] 10:39, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
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Did anyone notice the way that, just before the episode cut to the final scene in the asylum, that Libby's expression on the cliff turned from sympathy to private disgust? This definitely suggests something's up... Either way it's doing Mrniko's nut! --[[user:Mrniko|Mrniko]]
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'''Isn't it possible that Libby could be either A.) A clinical Psychologist observing the patients, particularly Hurley (perhaps as a recruiter)? or B.) A television star researching a part that involves being a mental patient?'''
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Cynthia Watros has just been casted in a new CBS show, My Ex-Life she will be a main character so the likeliness that she will be seen much more is very doubtful. --[[user:rdavid01|rdavid01]] 9:00pm 19th of April 2006 (GMT+1)
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It's not like Lost to kill a character off before tying up their loose connections, so I'm thinking Libby will be around for at least a little while longer. --[[User:Uth|Uth]] 12:10, 4 May 2006 (PDT)
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I wish she'd lasted longer.. but we have to have Michael carry out his betrayal in full, or at least more to it conclusion, so we can find out whats driven him to this action and what it is he's been told to do. --[[user:MRNasher|MRNasher]]
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''LIBBY: You don't know. You know why? Because it happened to me. His name was Donald, and I buried him. '''I buried a lot of people, Hurley'''. So don't tell me that that wasn't real. And don't tell me you made me up. It's insulting.''
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The film clip featuring Alvar Hanso is taken from a city in Norway called Narvik. (According to sources the creators of the series has said that this is purely accidental and has nothing to do with Lost). Alvar Hanso is also referred to in the notification of cease of investigation of Flight 815 that is on one of the unofficial fan sites [1] of which authenticity can't be verified.
"Driven by a need for privacy and a deep-seated sense of humility, Alvar Hanso has released few details of his personal life to the public.
He first made his mark during the Second World War, providing munitions to various resistance movements around Europe. After the War, Hanso became the leading purveyor of high-technology armaments to NATO.
After decades of keeping the world safe through the development of sophisticated weapons systems, Hanso turned his attention to critical areas of science and technology - always searching for new ways to improve the human experience, and create a brighter future for all humanity.
Still running his vast network of companies, Hanso has set new standards for philanthropy and the support of pure scientific research for the betterment of the entire race. "
Suffers from errectial disfunction, as noted in "...And Found."
Side note: According to Gary Troup's interview with Laird Granger for Bad Twin, Alvar and the Hanso Foundation were both mentioned in a previous non-fiction book written by Gary called The Valenzetti Equation. Presumably, whatever Gary wrote about Alvar and the Foundation was not looked upon favorably by the Foundation because no one can find a copy of the book. The Foundation has also started a newspaper ad campaign against claims made by Gary in Bad Twin.
Bad Twin book info
In Chapter 23, in a apparent new change in the board at Widmore, Alvar Hanso was replaced by Thomas Mittelwerk.
The wit and wisdom of Alvar Hanso
The following quotes have been attributed to Alvar Hanso.
"I am very proud to be working with such a brilliant team, who all inspire me every single day as we forge our way towards a brighter future. The expertise and dedication of the team constantly surpass my expectations." (thehansofoundation.org television ad page)
"From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more—to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible." — Alvar Hanso, Address to the United Nations Security Council, 1967, posted on first iteration of thehansofoundation.org Website and partially quoted by Mr. Friendly.
"To preach the limited mind is to foreclose on the promise of our future." (thehansofoundation.org landing page)
"A society should not merely be measured by its brightest lights, but on how the brightest light the way for those who cannot shine for themselves." (MHA section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
May be relevant to Hurley's particular affliction or simply the way in which the castaways are all emotionally and spiritually lost souls
May be relevant to the chasm between "the best and the brightest" (exemplary men like Jack) and those who struggle in life (just about everyone else)
"Prevention is the number one reason people live longer lives today. The time has come for everyone in our world to understand how a minimum investment of time and effort can lead to a vastly longer and happier life." (WWPDP section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
Note: This seems to be a nod to the "vaccine" proferred by Ethan Rom to protect Claire's baby.
"The future need not be an undiscovered country. Through science and technology we can turn our inexorable forward motion into a safe journey into a well-charted haven of tranquility." (MFI section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
The phrase "undiscovered country" comes from a soliloquy in Shakespeare's Hamlet and refers to the unknown that comes after death:
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others we know not of.
"To understand how our world is going, we must first seek to understand how the world was made." (ERI section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
"Given enough time, there is no end to what human beings can accomplish, no frontiers we cannot cross, and no experiences that we cannot live to pass on to future generations (LEP section of thehansofoundation.org Website)
Theories
Hanso is Him, the leader of The Others, mentioned by Mr. Friendly and the faux Henry Gale. Extending the Oz metaphor sometimes connected with the series, this would make Alvar Hanso "the man behind the curtain" aka the Wizard.
Clue from thf.org
Hanso is Zeke. Compare the grainy photo of Alvar and the one with no beard of Zeke, don't you see some resemblance ? This should match with the sentence "it doesn't match anyone else?" found on thehansofoundation.org while clicking the date below the photo (see screen capture)
Hanso is on the island.
Hanso is one of the survivors of the flight, or has somehow managed to infiltrate himself with them.
Hanso is dead, and buried near the Black Rock, according to notation on the blast door which reads: "Known resting place of Magnus Hanso / Black Rock". This assumes "Magnus" is used here as a title of honor.
Alvar Hanso is not Magnus Hanso, but related to him.
The name "Hanso" is likely spelled "Hansø" in Danish. The literal translation of "hans ø" from Danish is "his island".
Anagram of Alvar Hanso makes "Solar Haven" and "An Oval Rash" (perhaps The Sickness)
Possibly named after Hans Ørsted, a Danish physicist and chemist whose discoveries inspired the development of electromagnetic theory and the ØRSTED satellite.
On the Hanso Foundation Website under the biography of Alvar Hanso, the date under the photo is October 28th, 2003. However, it is the same photo from the Swan Orientation Film, which was supposedly made long before 2003. Is there an explanation for this? -> They just don't want to reveal who Hanso really is?
It seems strange that the same picture would be used as a way to keep his indentity concealed. It's possible that as an organization sponsored by Hanso, it may have very limited dealings with him, thus the picture used is actually the only picture they've been able to capture.
October 28th, 2003 was the date of an extremely massive solar flare (third largest on record) that was expected to cause "a major geomagnetic storm", as it was aimed directly at the Earth. [2]
October 28th, 1984 is written on the blast door as the suspected system shutdown date.
The picture of Alvar Hanso bears a strong resemblance to Kelvin "Joe" Inman (played by Clancy Brown).
Hanso is dead, presumebly murdered, and the Foundation is now under control of people with different motives, using the fame of Alvar Hanso. (hinted by Persephone's concerns regarding Hanso)
Locke's supposed father Anthony Cooper is Alvar Hanso. Check his resemblance with the image from the "grainy picture".
"hansa" is Vedic Sanskrit for "swan." The repeated word "namaste" on the Hanso website is originally from Sanskrit.
Hanso is Locke
Hanso is "Henry Gale". The smile from the B&W picture has the same creepy quality. Maybe he looks so young because of the result of "life extension" testing, or it could be Henry Gale is a clone of Alvar Hanso groomed to take over when the original died.
You are now able to click the date October 28, 2003. It suggestes that Alvar Hanso has gone missing because nobody has seen him since December 31, 2002. It suggests that he is missing somewhere (the island?). Persephone wonders who is running The Hanso Foundation and there seems to be some sort of Morse Code after her message. I also see drawings of some sort on pictures all over the site, I have no idea what it means but it might be important.
