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| − | <h2>[[4]] [[8]] [[15]] [[16]] [[23]] [[42]]</h2> |
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| + | The Island where Oceanic Airlines Flight 815 crashed might be, or have been part of a lost mythical continent. |
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| − | During the second season of LOST it was revealed that the numbers are the code that must be entered into the computer located inside [[The Hatch]] every [[108]] minutes (By the way 4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108). Entering the numbers resets the countdown timer to 108 minutes. It is not explained to viewers what is to occur if the numbers are not typed in, except it is believed to be bad. |
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| + | =General= |
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| − | [[Image:CounterZeroHieroglyphic.jpg|thumb|right|Bunker Hieroglyphics]] |
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| + | ==Details== |
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| − | If an individual does not [[Push the Button|push the button]] in time, the numbers flip to a series of [[Hieroglyphics|glyphs]] . While the numeric sequence is flipping into these icons, an individual can still finish typing in the numbers, press execute, and return the counter to 108 minutes. |
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| + | *[[Henry Gale]] says that no one will find the island |
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| + | *[[Desmond]] Cannot Leave the Island |
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| + | * In the season 2 finale, we see a foot of a giant statue (with four toes), pointing to a remenant of a lost civilisation. |
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| + | *Walt might have powers (telepathy, astral travel) often associated with members of legendary races: |
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| + | ** When Ms. Klugh is questioning Michael, she asks him, "You say he was half-way around the world, but... did you see him?" She could be hinting that Walt can project his image across great distances (something akin to astral projection). This could mean that the Others know that Walt appeared to Shannon and Sayid. |
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| + | ** Walt has been forced to take some sort of tests for the Others. |
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| + | ** Walts thought to be telepathic powers could in fact be premature to their full power, so with the aid of Dharmas telepathic mind Control capabillities, they are seeking Walt out to be the heir of their Machines used to manipulate peoples thoughts (Like Jack seeing his father, Kate seeing the black horse, etc...) |
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| − | Note that the mysterious [[Dharma_Initiative|project]] the hatch was built for is called "[[Dharma_Initiative|The Dharma Initiative]]". The word "Dharma" means "moral duty", and the number [[108]] is very important in Buddhist mythology. To many Buddhists, there are 108 sins (or "defilements" of mankind. It is for this reason that New Year's celebrations, such as those in Japan, feature ringing a bell 108 times as well as one possible reason most Buddhist prayer beads (mala) have 108 individual beads. |
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| + | ==CONS== |
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| + | =Atlantis= |
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| + | ==Details== |
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| − | * The numbers are 4 8 15 16 23 42. |
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| + | ==PROS== |
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| − | * The numbers total 108 when added together. |
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| + | ==CONS== |
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| − | * The numbers are used to reset the [[Countdown Timer]] inside [[The Hatch]]. |
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| − | * The crew in [[The Swan]] was supposed to be replaced every 540 days (108 x 5), Which means that each crew will enter the numbers at least 7200 times. |
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| + | =[[Lemuria]]= |
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| − | ==Appearances== |
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| − | ===All numbers together=== |
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| − | * On the [[hatch]] |
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| − | * On the [[CR 481516-23 42|medicine]] that [[Desmond]] injects into his arm |
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| − | * On the [[CR 481516-23 42|vial]] that [[Claire]] was injected with in the [[Medical Station]] |
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| − | * In the mental ward |
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| − | * sees them at the airport on the team jersey of a girls football (soccer) team |
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| − | * [[Hugo "Hurley" Reyes|Hurley]] rides past 6 players of a girls soccer team in the airport, each uniform has one of the numbers. |
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| − | * When Hurley's car broke down they showed the speedometer (in KPH) go from 16 to 15 to 8 to 4. The dashboard also displayed a temperature of 23 degrees Celsius and 42 km on the odometer. |
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| − | * [[Hugo "Hurley" Reyes|Hurley]]- Wins the lottery using the numbers |
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| − | * [[Danielle Rousseau|Danielle]]- the numbers led her to the island |
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| − | * [[Jack Shephard|Jack]]'s badge number was all the numbers. |
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| − | * [[Danielle Rousseau|Danielle's]] notes contained the numbers written 7 times, along with a [[Formula|mathematical formula]]. |
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| + | Many Fans see [[Lemuria]] as a natural candidate for the island. |
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| − | ===Single Numbers=== |
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| − | each number has its own article with more detailed information on where it appears in the show (and outside the show): |
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| + | ==Details== |
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| − | [[4]] + [[8]] + [[15]] + [[16]] + [[23]] + [[42]] = [[108]] |
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| − | ===Combos=== |
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| − | A common combination with a separate article is [[815]] (or 0815) |
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| + | *Lemuria is a 19th century supposition to account for discontinuities in biogeography that were emerging in the fossil record. Lemurs are only observed in Madagascar, but their fossils were turning up as far flung as Pakistan and China. To account for this distribution [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sclater Philip Sclater], an eminent zoologist, proposed that a continent that had previously connected the land masses had sunk into the sea. |
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| − | * 48 plane crash surviors. (4 & 8) |
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| − | * (If Jack is including the pilot and Ethan when he says it, it would mean that there are 46=4+42 survivors in the fuselage; note that 4 of them are dead before the exodus episodes in season one: the marshall, Joanna, Scott and Boone; leads to 42 survivors) |
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| − | * Boone's shirt with the Chinese symbols stood for 84. (4 & 8) |
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| − | * DriveSHAFT is 234 on the juke box. (23 & 4) |
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| − | * In the Dharma Initiative movie the number 540 is mentioned. (108x5) |
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| − | * The real number of the intelligence tape Sayid saw was 23108-42 |
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| − | * The flags on Locke's bedside table. One is the Spanish Cross of Burgundy (something like that) which was used in the year 1516 |
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| + | *Many writers, pseudo-archeologists, psychics and the Tamil people believe Lemuria is an ancient land with a complex and rich social history, which is now lost (much like [[Lost Continent (theory)#Atlantis|Atlantis]]). |
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| − | Please keep in mind if you start adding and subtracting the numbers you can make up almost any theory that you want. That said, some examples: |
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| − | * Boone's accident is in episode 19 (42-23) |
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| − | * Boone dies in the 20th episode (16+4), Claires's Baby is born in the same episode |
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| + | *Lemuria is known as the Atlantis of the Pacific, and it is perumed that the Island is Located in the Pacific. |
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| − | ===Interesting tidbit on the numbers as written on Danielle's papers.=== |
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| + | *Stone monuments of mysterious origin dot the entire Pacific, from Japan's underwater site at Yonaguni, to cryptic Petroglyphs on Hawaii's Big Island, to Easter Island's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai Moai] |
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| − | 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
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| + | *Edgar Cayce (March 18, 1877 – January 3, 1945) was an author who claimed his psychic readings affirmed the existence of Atlantis and Lemuria. He wrote that survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria had concealed beneath it a "Hall of Records" containing all the wisdom of their lost civilization and the true history of the human race. Cayce claimed to have prophesied this Hall of Records would be rediscovered and re-opened. |
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| + | ** Cayce called Lemuria, Zu or Oz |
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| + | ***The Wizard of Oz references may point to Lemuria. |
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| + | **Cayce maintained that the Lemurians were a psychically advanced Race. |
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| + | ** The five main theme's of Cayce's work are closely related to the events on island, and those of the Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative: (1) Health-Related Information; (2) Philosophy and Reincarnation; (3) Dreams and Dream Interpretation; (4) ESP and Psychic Phenomena; and (5) Spiritual Growth, Meditation, and Prayer. |
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| + | ** In addition one of his main themes was his belief in The Duality of Man - According to Cayce, Atlantean and Lemurian society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial." |
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| + | ***Henry Gale claims John Locke is "one of the good ones." This might imply there is a "good" and a "bad" faction on the island. |
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| + | **The Island may speak through dreams. There is a relation with Eko's dream, Locke's Dream, Claire's dream and Charlie's dream. |
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| + | ***Edgar Cayce stated: "God may speak to us through dreams. Dreams may be taken as warnings, as advice, as conditions to be met, conditions to be viewed in a way and manner as lessons, as truths, as they are presented." |
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| + | ==PROS== |
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| − | 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
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| + | ==CONS== |
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| − | 8 is 8th number counting in standard reading format. |
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| − | 15 is 15th, 16 is 16th, 23 is 23rd and 42 is 42nd. If only the 4 was a 1 or 7 this would work with all the numbers. |
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| − | ==Occurences outside of the show== |
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| − | At least some of the numbers are well known as special numbers even before this show. It is likely that at least some of them were used in the show for that reason: |
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| − | * 08/15 is a german saying for "ordinary" or "boring", also used as a placeholder on demonstration objects |
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| − | * 08/15 was the model number of the German standard rifle during WW I |
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| − | * 4, 8, 16 are binary numbers with only one "1". |
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| − | * 23 is in several conspiracy theories the number of the "Illuminati" (see also [[Mindfuck]]). It is claimed to appear all over history. |
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| − | * 4 is a very unlucky number in Korea. Its pronunciation is similar to the pronunciation of the Chinese character for Death. Typically, elevators are marked "F" instead of "4". |
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| − | * 8/15 is Independence Day in Korea. South Korea even has a national soft drink called "815 Soda," or "Pal Ship Oh Cola" as it is better known locally. |
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| − | * 42 is of course the famous "answer to life, the universe and everything" from the book "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Even google tells you that, if you [http://www.google.com/search?q=answer+to+life%2C+the+universe+and+everything enter "answer to life, the universe and everything"] as a search term. |
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| − | A reference to some of the numbers is made in other shows or movies, some of them predating "Lost": |
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| − | * Fox Mulder from "X-Files" (1993-1998) has one of them as appartment number and 23 and 42 appear throughout the show. |
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| − | * "Alias" also makes use of the numbers on some occasions, which is notable because Alias and Lost are both made by Abrams. |
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| − | * The numbers also make an appearance in "Veronica Mars", at the end of the episode "Donut Run" (2x11 - January 2006), on a fortune cookie that Duncan gives to Veronica. "Veronica Mars" airs on UPN in the same time slot as Lost. |
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| − | * There is a german movie called "23" (1998) (more info on [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126765/ IMDB]) |
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| − | * All the numbers are retired Yankee jersey numbers. (Note: While Jersey 42 was not retired specifically by the Yankees, 42 was retired across the league on April 15, 1997 to honor Jackie Robinson.) |
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| − | * In the movie "Saw II", the numbers 8 and 16 were part of the [[Mindfuck]] Game: They were part of the combination to a safe that supposedly held an antidote for the poisened "players". |
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| − | ==Ideas/Theories== |
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| − | * The numbers are said to make some autistic kids cry |
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| − | * They may be coordinates |
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| − | ** The numbers specify [http://static.flickr.com/24/47743274_9f47113551.jpg a location] somewhere between [[Australia]] and [[Los Angeles]] if interpreted left-to-right as [http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/gps-faq.txt GPS] coordinates. |
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| − | ** Latitude: 4° 8 Min. 15 Sec./Longitude: 16° 23 Min. 42 Sec. is about 150 miles West of Bangui in The Central African Republic... about 400 miles SE from the border to Nigeria |
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| − | ** 4.815 N 162.342 W, shown on a map along with the air route mapping along the great circle route for SYD-LAX (which is the original flight-plan for Oceanic 815 [http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=4.815+N+++162.342+W%2C+SYD-LAX%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE map] |
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| − | ** 4.8151 S Lat., 174(Which is 180-6).2342 W Long. These coordinates lie in the Pacific Ocean, in a direct line between Sydney and Los Angeles |
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| − | * They seem to be cursed |
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| − | * According to one of the Exec. Producers, they may have no meaning whatsoever. |
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| − | *Of course, we're not 100% sure the numbers are decimal, except for one key factor, that their sum in decimal is 108. If it weren't I'd say they had another base. |
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| − | == See Also == |
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| − | [[The Numbers (Fan theories)]] |
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| − | [[Category:Numbers]][[Category:Unsolved]] |
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The Island where Oceanic Airlines Flight 815 crashed might be, or have been part of a lost mythical continent.
General
Details
- Henry Gale says that no one will find the island
- Desmond Cannot Leave the Island
- In the season 2 finale, we see a foot of a giant statue (with four toes), pointing to a remenant of a lost civilisation.
- Walt might have powers (telepathy, astral travel) often associated with members of legendary races:
- When Ms. Klugh is questioning Michael, she asks him, "You say he was half-way around the world, but... did you see him?" She could be hinting that Walt can project his image across great distances (something akin to astral projection). This could mean that the Others know that Walt appeared to Shannon and Sayid.
- Walt has been forced to take some sort of tests for the Others.
- Walts thought to be telepathic powers could in fact be premature to their full power, so with the aid of Dharmas telepathic mind Control capabillities, they are seeking Walt out to be the heir of their Machines used to manipulate peoples thoughts (Like Jack seeing his father, Kate seeing the black horse, etc...)
PROS
CONS
Atlantis
Details
PROS
CONS
Lemuria
Many Fans see Lemuria as a natural candidate for the island.
Details
- Lemuria is a 19th century supposition to account for discontinuities in biogeography that were emerging in the fossil record. Lemurs are only observed in Madagascar, but their fossils were turning up as far flung as Pakistan and China. To account for this distribution Philip Sclater, an eminent zoologist, proposed that a continent that had previously connected the land masses had sunk into the sea.
- Many writers, pseudo-archeologists, psychics and the Tamil people believe Lemuria is an ancient land with a complex and rich social history, which is now lost (much like Atlantis).
- Lemuria is known as the Atlantis of the Pacific, and it is perumed that the Island is Located in the Pacific.
- Stone monuments of mysterious origin dot the entire Pacific, from Japan's underwater site at Yonaguni, to cryptic Petroglyphs on Hawaii's Big Island, to Easter Island's Moai
- Edgar Cayce (March 18, 1877 – January 3, 1945) was an author who claimed his psychic readings affirmed the existence of Atlantis and Lemuria. He wrote that survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria had concealed beneath it a "Hall of Records" containing all the wisdom of their lost civilization and the true history of the human race. Cayce claimed to have prophesied this Hall of Records would be rediscovered and re-opened.
- Cayce called Lemuria, Zu or Oz
- The Wizard of Oz references may point to Lemuria.
- Cayce maintained that the Lemurians were a psychically advanced Race.
- The five main theme's of Cayce's work are closely related to the events on island, and those of the Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative: (1) Health-Related Information; (2) Philosophy and Reincarnation; (3) Dreams and Dream Interpretation; (4) ESP and Psychic Phenomena; and (5) Spiritual Growth, Meditation, and Prayer.
- In addition one of his main themes was his belief in The Duality of Man - According to Cayce, Atlantean and Lemurian society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial."
- Henry Gale claims John Locke is "one of the good ones." This might imply there is a "good" and a "bad" faction on the island.
- The Island may speak through dreams. There is a relation with Eko's dream, Locke's Dream, Claire's dream and Charlie's dream.
- Edgar Cayce stated: "God may speak to us through dreams. Dreams may be taken as warnings, as advice, as conditions to be met, conditions to be viewed in a way and manner as lessons, as truths, as they are presented."
- Cayce called Lemuria, Zu or Oz